[HDPhoenix]

@CzAzerk: Epics aren't free anymore. Heroics only give blues, with the latest 5mans (the remade ZG/ZA, which I immensely enjoy) giving the lowest tier of epics. And as Dox said, its geared such that you MUST do heroics to get the minimal gear for raids. Epics are for raids only. I tried to do a BH raid (its like the Wintergrasp open dungeon) in ilvl 350 gear and I basically got my arse handed to me and booted from the raid for "being a scrub" even thou I avoided all the mechanics. I just wasn't geared enough.

I'll ask if he wants to play horde cause he is horde currently and wanted to play Worgen. Frankly, I'm continuing to play Alliance cause of the instant BG ques and if I'm inside, I very rarely lose (cause I'm a mofo spamming healbot ^_^). What class are you playing? I'm trying to set up a casual TSG style arena team (I play Holy Paladin, my friend plays Unholy DK and we are looking for a Arms Warrior, triple plate team). I'm not looking for Vicious Gladiator titles but Gladiator should be really doable if we play 2-3 hours a week

@Dox: I don't know if you played Vanilla but Vanilla was far more fun (read: challenging). Perhaps you didn't do AQ40 or the old Naxx but they were as unforgiving as shit. And the gear requirements, while a pain in the arse to acquire, forced 40 people to work together as a single unit. It was marvelous, if you got it right. I was on the premier raid guild on Warsong US, and I miss those times. So far, nothing since then compares to it, since they nerfed raid sizes to essentially 10. Its just very different. Also, the game was made far easier. Chromagus in BWL? 1 person missing a timing = wipe. Pre-nerfed Cthun? We had 3 raid leaders calling their various groups. OMG farking 4-horsemen in old Naxx was my favorite (and most challenging). I suppose I play WoW to "die", to be challenged. TBC and the little I tried to do in WotLK bored me to tears.

Needless to say, when I was tanking a "regular" 5man at 85, and I barely got hit by an ability and was surprised to see I took 90k dmg instant hit (of my then 110k hp) then instantly hit by an auto and died. That's what I'm looking for! If I'm an idiot, I should pay for it. To me, the threat that I could die if I screwed up made the game fun again.

My 2cents, anyways =) WoW is alot of fun