[nard]

In that case, after reading yongming's input, I feel he has more to offer than zergtastic in terms of spotting the mafia. In the event that both of them are citizens I do not want to run the risk of losing yongming. I do not believe that zergtastic is a mafia but he simply isn't participating enough at this point.

I change my vote to
zergtastic

Sry bro

[Next_rim]

yongming,

Or you could both change vote to Nard or Poison, and both survive this round. Game theory

I think Yongming, Cruxis and Deathsfang are mafia from one family, who voted different on purpose at different timings, and they are all trying to switch hate on to zergtastic now. Just looking at vote patterns and post timing

On that note, I change vote to yongming

[yongming]

whatever that rocks your boat just dont accuse me of targetting zergtastic when i have not even accused him since day 1. my suspicion still strongly lies on sonata and now with the input that mafia is actually split into 2 and 3 each group. im suspecting dandelion and sonata to be part of one group due to the fact that at such early stage of the game. there is no reason to be overprotective of another player unless *dun* *dun* he is your only other partner. that's just my thought process cause there is really too little information in this point in time.

[Next_rim]

yongming,

you can't do anything to zergastic though. If you vote him, he votes you, and votes are still even. Defending yourself never works in mafia. So your teammates are rolling him over so you don't get knocked out. This is what rocks my boat.

I'll keep in mind your observations over dandelion and sonata though, seems like a solid lead.

[yongming]

i never mentioned about voting zergtastic. its just a reply to nard regarding me defensive voting in case he votes me to keep himself in the game.

[cruxis]

Originally Posted by Next_rim

yongming,

Or you could both change vote to Nard or Poison, and both survive this round. Game theory

I think Yongming, Cruxis and Deathsfang are mafia from one family, who voted different on purpose at different timings, and they are all trying to switch hate on to zergtastic now. Just looking at vote patterns and post timing

On that note, I change vote to yongming

I've played this before, and know day 1 votes mean next to nothing. You'll also notice that it was the very first reply of the game starting, when I have literally no information to go off. But i still had reasoning behind voting for him, he wouldn't make me a mod in his chat, so I thought that was good enough reason for the very first meaningless vote of the game.

You'll also note that I changed that vote pretty quick once I had actual in game information to go off.

Day 2, Yongming and Zerg both had the most amount of votes. Based on Day 1's voting pattern, I knew it would be either one of them that's going to get the hit, so I evaluated each one. Yongming has been pretty active, Zerg hasn't. In a game that based solely on discussion, players that aren't active aren't going to contribute towards the game as much as players that do.

Think of it this way, we're on Day 7. It's probably the last chance we have to vote off the Mafia. Would you rather have someone that's posted very rarely to gain information off, or someone that has posted a great deal, so there is more chance of analysis in determining his role.


I'm happy to change my vote to Yong if someone has any real insight to him being Mafia. But i would rather vote off an inactive player that's not really contributing over someone that is.

I like your reasoning of vote patterns and post timing. I looked back, and noticed You and Yong could be Mafia, as you were both pretty quick to vote for Sonata.

[SONATA]

haha yea all want me dead... T.T

[Next_rim]

I like your reasoning of vote patterns and post timing. I looked back, and noticed You and Yong could be Mafia, as you were both pretty quick to vote for Sonata.

Imagine you are mafia. Actually, don't have to imagine, I think you are mafia. So, you have only one ally, yongming, and have to vote for Sonata. You go ahead and say the entire population "I support yongming", giving a solid lead for others to consider both of you mafia. Then, during day 2, your ally has a 50/50 chance of being lynched. Then a person changes vote and puts an opponent up 4/3. So you change your vote and put your ally up 4/4 so he dies. Nice plan! Either you are bad at mafia game, or you are not mafia.

Imagine you are citizen who has to vote and give reason for a vote. You are lazy and don't care who to vote, so you just randomly pick a person and jump on his bandwagon. It's day 2 anyway, who cares?

Now suddenly, when yongming is starting to lead vote count, two people (who, including yongming, all voted different random people), jump in and bash zergtastic, second in-lead. Do I have to remind there is a 3-member mafia family still in game?

[yongming]

your posting are beginning to not make sense. makes me wonder if its a dubious attempt to confuse everyone with misinformation. in your second last post, you mentioned that i "can't do anything to zergtastic" and in your last post you mentioned that i "jump in and bash zergtastic". you seem to be accusing me of rallying everyone to vote him off when post history shows nothing of sorts. if anyone it would be sonata, since my vote is against him and had clearly substantiated my reasons for doing so. it seems like you are trying to either get people to vote me off or at least pin the blame on me if zergtastic gets vote off.

[cruxis]

Originally Posted by Next_rim

So, you have only one ally, yongming, and have to vote for Sonata. You go ahead and say the entire population "I support yongming", giving a solid lead for others to consider both of you mafia.

Can you please quote the post where I did this? I just looked, and haven't voted for Sonata, I voted for Zerg and Paroxym. I also can't see any post where I've supported Yongming. On day 2 i told Yong not to vote for him because there was a chance he was the vigilante. So trying not to get a citizen voted off is mafia behaviour???

Originally Posted by next_rim

Then, during day 2, your ally has a 50/50 chance of being lynched. Then a person changes vote and puts an opponent up 4/3. So you change your vote and put your ally up 4/4 so he dies. Nice plan! Either you are bad at mafia game, or you are not mafia.

I have no idea what you're saying here. Please rephrase what point you're trying to make.

Originally Posted by next_rim

Imagine you are citizen who has to vote and give reason for a vote. You are lazy and don't care who to vote, so you just randomly pick a person and jump on his bandwagon. It's day 2 anyway, who cares?

I would rather try and get a mafia then just keep randomly voting people until we get lucky.

[Next_rim]

and in your last post you mentioned that i "jump in and bash zergtastic"

Sorry, you must have misunderstood. What I meant is - your teammates, Cruxis and DeathsFang, were quick to propel zergtastic up the vote count after. You don't have to tell them anything. If they are responsible players (I prefer to overestimate people), then one choice for them is to vote someone else up. I'm not looking at evidence in your posts, I'm looking at how other people seem to respond to the situation. Only reason to do so is that all three of you are a team.

1) Day 2 starts - yongming randomly votes for santi (just like day 1, same tactics).
2) Cruxis votes zergtastic, then some1 else votes zergtastic. 2:1 for zerg, yongming - no threat.
3) Then poison ties yongming 2:2
4) Dandellion does first substantial analysis and votes yongming. 3:2. OO, mafia going down!
5) so Deathfang, being part of family, has to vote zergtastic in attempt to save yongming. 3:3

Since yongming was lucky to vote other person, and zergtastic voted random too, zergtastic now can't defend himself. If he switches yongming, yongming switches zergtastic.

Then Nard goes zergtastic (very suspicious too, actually. Inclined to think that cruxis is clean, and nard is actually 3rd member of mafia).

I have no choice but to tie yongming to give citizens a chance.

Can you please quote the post where I did this? I just looked, and haven't voted for Sonata, I voted for Zerg and Paroxym. I also can't see any post where I've supported Yongming. On day 2 i told Yong not to vote for him because there was a chance he was the vigilante. So trying not to get a citizen voted off is mafia behaviour???

I have no idea what you're saying here. Please rephrase what point you're trying to make.

You accused me of being mafia with yongming. And by saying "Imagine..." tried to put you into my place. I said that in my first vote on day 2. Is my English bad? Sorry for confusing answers.

Anyway, cruxis is my man now, nard has more shady things up his sleeve, since he voted zergtastic up. Yongming+nard+Deathfang=mafia.

[ToRDeathsFang]

The discussion is starting to get very heated, we should put all the information we have gathered so far into 1 post so we can refer to that instead of going through 8 pages of text.

On-topic, the day 1 votes mean can pretty much be void as nobody knew what was going on, i stick to my argument that either mafia families will be voting on the same person, i had said the 5 mafia voted for Pokerface, but now i know there's two families, so this is my new assumption on that.

I think the larger family would have decided to pick a random person to lynch, so they chose Pokerface, then, the smaller family MAY have caught on to this and voted for him as well. This is just grabbing wildly in the dark but looking back exclusive, nard and paroxysm were the first 3 to jump on top of Pokerface, then i was the fourth, and Lennx was the fifth. Then Cruxis changed his vote.

This is trailing away from the current discussion about Yongming but i think if we can weed out at least 1 of the families from just the very basic, general first day the citizens have a great chance of taking this.

Im checking painstakingly over and over the first 5 pages of ramblings for some hint the a mafia family was targeting a person, the closer the times of voting, the more chances they were dsicussing it before they voted.

[ToRDeathsFang]

Okay Next_rim that's a pretty good point as yes i was very quick to vote for Zergtastic, i don't really have a solid argument against this but off the top of my head you'll notice that i was the first to randomly vote zergtastic, then after 20+ hours cruxis voted for zergtastic. The only way i can make a firm argument to prove that im not associated with cruxis in any way is to change my vote

I change my vote to cruxis

[yongming]

@next_rim: oh okay that makes sense.
since im leading, i wonder if i should tie the votes to save myself or sacrifice myself. while i generally dont think zergtastic is the mafia, i might be wrong.

change vote to zergtastic to tie it.

[cruxis]

Originally Posted by Next_rim

Sorry, you must have misunderstood. What I meant is - your teammates, Cruxis and DeathsFang, were quick to propel zergtastic up the vote count after. You don't have to tell them anything. If they are responsible players (I prefer to overestimate people), then one choice for them is to vote someone else up. I'm not looking at evidence in your posts, I'm looking at how other people seem to respond to the situation. Only reason to do so is that all three of you are a team.

1) Day 2 starts - yongming randomly votes for santi (just like day 1, same tactics).
2) Cruxis votes zergtastic, then some1 else votes zergtastic. 2:1 for zerg, yongming - no threat.
3) Then poison ties yongming 2:2
4) Dandellion does first substantial analysis and votes yongming. 3:2. OO, mafia going down!
5) so Deathfang, being part of family, has to vote zergtastic in attempt to save yongming. 3:3

Since yongming was lucky to vote other person, and zergtastic voted random too, zergtastic now can't defend himself. If he switches yongming, yongming switches zergtastic.

Then Nard goes zergtastic (very suspicious too, actually. Inclined to think that cruxis is clean, and nard is actually 3rd member of mafia).

I have no choice but to tie yongming to give citizens a chance.





You accused me of being mafia with yongming. And by saying "Imagine..." tried to put you into my place. I said that in my first vote on day 2. Is my English bad? Sorry for confusing answers.

Anyway, cruxis is my man now, nard has more shady things up his sleeve, since he voted zergtastic up. Yongming+nard+Deathfang=mafia.

Or maybe Zerg is your Mafia buddy, and you had to tie the vote to make sure he doesn't get voted for, while trying to place as much heat on Yongming as possible.

Voting patterns are best left done after several days of comparison, as any number of possible outcomes can take place.

[nard]

Hmmm I already stated quite clearly my motivations for voting zergtastic. Yongming brings solid insight in his posts thus far while zergtastic doesn't. I don't think either are mafia but if one has to be lynched I'd rather it be someone who brings less to the table.
Besides switching my vote to either yongming or zergtastic is a self serving exercise to ensure I don't get lynched too, thus staying in the game. Odds are against the citizens now but I believe I can be one of those who survives. I have two votes against me. One thru random vote and the other because I have a funny name. If voting zergtastic slaps me with a mafia tag, what am I to do? Revote and bring even more suspicion to myself?

[nard]

@benji side note. Mafia families are 3-2 right? Could it be 4-1?

[Benji]

Day has ended and votes are in

Zergtastic has been killed by the Citizens. He was a Citizen

1. DeathsFang - Voted for Cruxis
2. Dandelion - Voted for Yongming
3. mustapusta - Voted for Nard
4. yongming - Voted for Zergtastic
5. PoisoN - Voted for Yongming
6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
7. Meatex - Voted for Zergtastic
8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
9. Next_rim - Voted for Sonata
10. SONATA - Voted for Yongming
11. cruxis - Voted for Zergtastic
12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
13. Nofan
14. nard - Votes for Zergtastic
15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe - Voted for Poison
17. Zanderax - Voted for Nard
18. LennX - Voted for Dandelion

4 Votes for Zergtastic
3 Votes for Yongming
2 Votes for Nard
2 Votes for Poison
1 Vote for Dandelion
1 Vote for Cruxis
1 Vote for Sonata

Nofan has missed this rounds vote. If he misses the next he will be killed and banned for 2 games.

It is now Nighttime, Both Mafia families can now Private Message me their hits. Nighttime will finish in 24 hours or once both Messages have been received.

[ToRDeathsFang]

I didn't think Zergtastic was mafia anyways, but he didn't contribute at all so meh.

Going back to Next_Rim's post i wasn't the third person to vote Zergtastic, i stated quite clearly i think that i was randomly picking a person. Also, i was the first person to vote him.

I also have another hypothesis to share. Next_rim, you've been focusing on who is voting for zergtastic and saying that because several people, myself included, voted for him in quick succession that we are a mafia family, but I've looked through some holes and found something a little worrying.

Take a look at who voted for Yongming. Dandelion, PoisoN and Sonata. Have any of these people had any contribution? No they haven't. The only reasoning i found was because Yongming voted them in Day 1 and 2, but this is hardly a big enough argument.

With 2 groups of 3 people voting on 1 person each, this is really something to think about. Yongming's reactions to being voted were pretty calm and collected, but what would Sonata especially have against Yongming? I think because Yongming was onto Sonata, he got the large mafia family to vote her down.

1- All 3 of these people are fairly inactive
2- They have reasons for wanting Yongming dead
3- Yongming is an active contributor with solid insight, exactly the type of person to want dead.

I'd like any counter-arguments

[SONATA]

haha i just vote back whoever votes me 1st bleh