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SethT · Tue, 20th-Aug-2013, 12:52 AM

Change of heart, turns out I emailed it off.

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Originally Posted by FantasyStarr

So tell us why we should have kept you over
XG. You guys don't play in any weekly tournaments. I'm a LoL Manager
and I can see you not making your players do anything to represent
AVANT and their sponsors and not even as yourselves as players. I'm
looking forward to see what you blog you will post up.

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Originally Posted by Av.MezjE

I will do a brief summary...

I asked for many things that were never given, it took weeks for
anything to be replied to, the boys do play in weekly tournaments, you
know nothing. I got told by management my team was not respected and
bad pretty much then told at an event that they were getting a another
team BEFORE our contract was over without having even fulfilling their
part of the bargain. Then telling me 'soz we ran out of money'. I was
removed from the FB page because someone was 'drunk'. I have been a
manager for a while and have had my fair share of rough times but this
treatment was utterly disgusting and no player should have to go
through it.

Sorry you don't see how bad everything is their, probs blinded by the
team house etc you are getting promised, have fun playing LoL. The
blog tomorrow will be more in depth and feature Skype logs, the fact I
had top practically threaten senior management to get anywhere is a
testimony to how horrible the level of communication is there and the
lack of respect to anyone they don't think will perform. Can't wait to
watch KK get treated like a king and everyone else tossed to the
side!

What? You've never gotten drunk and made a mistake before? Bit of a low blow. Your entire post just feels like a whole lot of over exaggeration in terms of how 'badly' you were treated. As an individual, you were given the same respect as any individual or team that first joined the organization. Respect is earned, not just given freely, and you have done very little to deserve it from any of us.

Your threats were little to us compared to what we felt was the right thing to do. We felt that we should come through with what we had initially included for you guys.

I took you aside @ Lan and respectfully explained why we had decided to do a line-up swap, more importantly I explained why. Our goals for next year are to have a SC2 player we can send internationally. Better than most I think. You guys seemed like decent blokes IRL, hell if I could fund people on just being nice guys, then you would pass the bar. A lot of the SC2 guys I met @ Lan last weekend seem like top blokes.

I don't really like posting things that leave a sour taste in my mouth. I'll leave this on a positive note, after meeting the ex-xG blokes @ ACL, I'm really happy to have them onboard. Cool guys who I think will fit right at home with the rest of the teams. Suffice to say we just keep learning and learning from SC2. Believe it or not, I want AVANT to be established as a positive point in the SC2 SEA world. I'm aware it’s going to take work but hopefully come this time next year, we would've come to earn this communities respect.

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	Matt93:	Being inebriated isn't a defense man. It's going to take a lot to make avant positive, youve fucked over too many people
	RuineD:	atleast we got our gamecon headsets. o wait.

SLCNPezz · Tue, 20th-Aug-2013, 1:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SethT

You guys seemed like decent blokes IRL, hell if I could fund people on just being nice guys, then you would pass the bar. A lot of the SC2 guys I met @ Lan last weekend seem like top blokes.

This was how ToR felt we were treated, like second-tier players who aren't "worthy" of Avant's almighty sponsorship.

Sure, we were second tier players. We were good, but we weren't pig/iaguz/moonglade/kingkong etc material. Let's be honest, you couldn't AFFORD those types of players. You NEED to be aware of who you're picking up and what you're promising BEFORE you recruit players. You can't backpedal midway through picking up a team and start berating the team and saying "you're just second tier so we feel we have no obligation to do any sort of funding etc".

That's pathetic, people aren't going out of their way to promote your brand for nothing. It's insulting to the players involved, and will only damage relationships.

I suggest you become aware of who you're dealing with before you recruit them, rather than deciding midway through the relationship that they should continue representing you whilst you do nothing for them.

This is exactly why I didn't want to sign that phony contract, it gives Avant all of the power and the players are promised nothing for it. You can decide not to give the players anything, whilst they will still have to represent you.

I'm really glad I joined SLCN, they have been far superior in every way to Avant. I'm not angry at you personally Seth, but Avant reeks of unprofessional behavior.

I'll be interested to see if you have a response for this, and if you feel like you've wronged anyone with this mentality that you put on display in a public forum.

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ToRMcLovin:

:D

SethT · Tue, 20th-Aug-2013, 2:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SLCNPezz

This was how ToR felt we were treated, like second-tier players who aren't "worthy" of Avant's almighty sponsorship.

Sure, we were second tier players. We were good, but we weren't pig/iaguz/moonglade/kingkong etc material. Let's be honest, you couldn't AFFORD those types of players. You NEED to be aware of who you're picking up and what you're promising BEFORE you recruit players. You can't backpedal midway through picking up a team and start berating the team and saying "you're just second tier so we feel we have no obligation to do any sort of funding etc".

That's pathetic, people aren't going out of their way to promote your brand for nothing. It's insulting to the players involved, and will only damage relationships.

I suggest you become aware of who you're dealing with before you recruit them, rather than deciding midway through the relationship that they should continue representing you whilst you do nothing for them.

This is exactly why I didn't want to sign that phony contract, it gives Avant all of the power and the players are promised nothing for it. You can decide not to give the players anything, whilst they will still have to represent you.

I'm really glad I joined SLCN, they have been far superior in every way to Avant. I'm not angry at you personally Seth, but Avant reeks of unprofessional behavior.

I'll be interested to see if you have a response for this, and if you feel like you've wronged anyone with this mentality that you put on display in a public forum.

Just going to answer paragraph by paragraph.

When you print it out straight black and white like that it makes a lot of sense. I'll flat out say again, we're learning and this whole 2nd tier mentality you're talking about has come straight from our FPS / LoL backgrounds (related to the co-owners) where being the best = funding.

100% agree with your suggestion, already something that's been noted down when I reflected on everything.

The original contract that we sent you was rubbish, I agree. Our final rendition (not sure whether you saw it or not) has worked so far, anyone who goes ahead and informs us its a bad contract, I'm willing to argue that to the bone.

Can't really / not my place to comment about SLCN, inregards to SC2 previously in Avant, couldn't agree more. We've shaped up the rest of the org for what we have planned upcoming / next year, with Chris coming aboard we intend to make sure xG get the best / smoothest possible reception internally and for the duration of the contract.

Regarding this mentality, I'm an honest person and I prefer speaking what I feel. I generally try and incorporate what I feel into the posts I made, which is why a lot of the time I suck at this PR business. To answer your question, whatever I say now I feel won't be an accurate reflection. I'll sleep on it, think about it, then reply sometime tomorrow. Suffice to say you've at least got me thinking.

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MezjE:

FantasyStar's comment only further proves this.