[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by iM tgun

You can keep trying to defend him, or downplay it -- but this guy needs to be removed from the scene, permanently. If he's even allowed to register in tournaments their credibility is immediately in question.

Also, instead of defending the issue for him, can you ask him to come and answer this himself?

I'm not at all defending him. I guess my understanding of the GGA cup was that ShinyA was using his account to gain access, I was under the impression SenSei had told him to tell admins and wasn't intentionally smurfing. Perhaps I bought into the story a bit, but that was my understanding.

Secondly, the length, lying and scale to which CHobo was smurfing is much greater (at least it seems as such atm). CHobo was confronted and lied about the issue for weeks. CHobo smurfed in numerous online tournaments, winning cash prizes and earning income from coaching students who believed the lies about his skill. It seems much more malicious and drawn out than 1-2 smurfing in tournament situations. But thats just how I feel about the situation.

As for the Broodwar stuff, that was a long time ago and the suggestion was that SenSei learnt his lesson.. Perhaps not, it seems.

In regards to getting him out to answer for himself, I don't represent SenSei, nor do I tell him what to do. Thats on him, not me. I'm not defending his actions, However the suggestion of life bans is over the top when CHobo, who continues to win trade and perhaps cheat on ladder has served his penalty for smurfing and is able to enter online tournaments now. SenSei's crime, I feel, is not as sever and the suggestion is life ban? - I personally don't agree and am simply offering up my thoughts. It's not at all my call on the situation, nor should my suggestions carry weight, I simply believe a life ban would be unjust - given previous penalties.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann

I'm not at all defending him. I guess my understanding of the GGA cup was that ShinyA was using his account to gain access, I was under the impression SenSei had told him to tell admins and wasn't intentionally smurfing. Perhaps I bought into the story a bit, but that was my understanding.

Secondly, the length, lying and scale to which CHobo was smurfing is much greater (at least it seems as such atm). CHobo was confronted and lied about the issue for weeks. CHobo smurfed in numerous online tournaments, winning cash prizes and earning income from coaching students who believed the lies about his skill. It seems much more malicious and drawn out than 1-2 smurfing in tournament situations. But thats just how I feel about the situation.

As for the Broodwar stuff, that was a long time ago and the suggestion was that SenSei learnt his lesson.. Perhaps not, it seems.

In regards to getting him out to answer for himself, I don't represent SenSei, nor do I tell him what to do. Thats on him, not me. I'm not defending his actions, However the suggestion of life bans is over the top when CHobo, who continues to win trade and perhaps cheat on ladder has served his penalty for smurfing and is able to enter online tournaments now. SenSei's crime, I feel, is not as sever and the suggestion is life ban? - I personally don't agree and am simply offering up my thoughts. It's not at all my call on the situation, nor should my suggestions carry weight, I simply believe a life ban would be unjust - given previous penalties.

It's very stupid to compare this to Chobo - why?

I was calling for a life ban for him when it went down.

It's not unjust. The SC2 community is, very simply put, a bunch of wimps. You get cheated out of money, cheated out of tournaments, especially from a guy who has been given a second chance, and think "oh well, just warn him again - maybe he'll learn this time"? What a joke.

Sensei very well would've went on with this -- however, myself and Iaguz caught it extremely early. Just because we caught him doing this early doesn't mean it's any less malicious than Chobo.

Edit: Anything that isn't permanent is a warning. He's had a warning before.

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	syfChadMann:	I'm not suggesting to simply give him a warning.
	ToRSpartaz:	Valid points tgun.

[CHoBo(kice)]

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann

I'm not at all defending him. I guess my understanding of the GGA cup was that ShinyA was using his account to gain access, I was under the impression SenSei had told him to tell admins and wasn't intentionally smurfing. Perhaps I bought into the story a bit, but that was my understanding.

Secondly, the length, lying and scale to which CHobo was smurfing is much greater (at least it seems as such atm). CHobo was confronted and lied about the issue for weeks. CHobo smurfed in numerous online tournaments, winning cash prizes and earning income from coaching students who believed the lies about his skill. It seems much more malicious and drawn out than 1-2 smurfing in tournament situations. But thats just how I feel about the situation.

As for the Broodwar stuff, that was a long time ago and the suggestion was that SenSei learnt his lesson.. Perhaps not, it seems.

In regards to getting him out to answer for himself, I don't represent SenSei, nor do I tell him what to do. Thats on him, not me. I'm not defending his actions, However the suggestion of life bans is over the top when CHobo, who continues to win trade and perhaps cheat on ladder has served his penalty for smurfing and is able to enter online tournaments now. SenSei's crime, I feel, is not as sever and the suggestion is life ban? - I personally don't agree and am simply offering up my thoughts. It's not at all my call on the situation, nor should my suggestions carry weight, I simply believe a life ban would be unjust - given previous penalties.

I don't remember winning any cash prizes apart from local tournaments. If your referring to Master Cup which seohyeon won playing my account, well he didn't receive money for winning either since he was playing on my account nor was I expecting to see any money from it anyway. I am carrying out my punishment for trying to cover for him and allowing it to happen in the first place.

I did earn money from coaching, and continued to do so after the fact because my students were happy with my ability to coach and convey concepts. Students didn't doubt my skill level, none felt cheated or wanted a refund. A few in particular proceeded to promote leagues appropriately, one even made it to GM.

Your right, I must be cheating in the minimal amount of time which I am playing at the moment. You could easily prove this by checking my stream as I stream every time I play.

Win trading on a server with less than 50 GMs is impossible to keep BP down otherwise. This is widely practiced by many players even ones who are on AU eSports teams. But sure it’s me that’s doing it, so it must mean the end of the world.

Thanks for letting me know I can now play in online tournaments. As far as I was aware I am still banned.

I don’t understand what your aim is to compare his situation to mine. Obviously it’s a case by case basis and the admins/tournament organisers evaluate the facts and determine a suitable punishment. The only reason I see is that you want to bring me up and go over the same old bullshit again as this isn’t the first time you’ve brought it up. I have left it alone in the past few threads thinking you would probably grow up at some point but **** I was wrong. Move on get over it!

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syfChadMann:

Actually, I was wrong - you got 1 year ban from 8th of July. So still banned.