[ROOTPetraeus]

I really disagree with the no foreigner rule. I remember when Balloon won the 6th Weekly, he didn't sign up for any more for a while because a lot people hated Koreans coming in and winning SEA tournaments. I however, think the competition and variety is great. Sure we saw Value demolish the Zergs in the last 3 tournaments he played in but Rossi went 3-2 against him in games. Its not like these tournaments attract the highest levels of Koreans. I just think its sad that when the Koreans win they're "stealing our money" but this accusation would never be made if mOOnGLaDe started playing (and winning) these tournys.
I respect the fact that this is your tournament now, Baldie, but I do hope you will reconsider this rule!

[Flamga]

Originally Posted by fray`Petraeus

I really disagree with the no foreigner rule. I remember when Balloon won the 6th Weekly, he didn't sign up for any more for a while because a lot people hated Koreans coming in and winning SEA tournaments. I however, think the competition and variety is great. Sure we saw Value demolish the Zergs in the last 3 tournaments he played in but Rossi went 3-2 against him in games. Its not like these tournaments attract the highest levels of Koreans. I just think its sad that when the Koreans win they're "stealing our money" but this accusation would never be made if mOOnGLaDe started playing (and winning) these tournys.
I respect the fact that this is your tournament now, Baldie, but I do hope you will reconsider this rule!

Yea I did something similar a while ago requesting people to sign up with their ingame name and also their actual ID, so if someone like that played, we would know and seed them appropriately so we dont get early knockouts. With this signup method its just a matter of balancing but I think Baldie mentioned the point system to me and how it works so I think this shouldnt be a problem.

As for no foreigners, I disagree however I can understand where you come from, maybe we should leave this judgement to the guys that are higher up and usually get high in the brackets. In the end its only those people that are effected, unless of course they are being annoying admin wise >.<

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TidaL:

Pet does usually get high in the brackets

[iM MaFia]

Originally Posted by fray`Petraeus

I really disagree with the no foreigner rule. I remember when Balloon won the 6th Weekly, he didn't sign up for any more for a while because a lot people hated Koreans coming in and winning SEA tournaments. I however, think the competition and variety is great. Sure we saw Value demolish the Zergs in the last 3 tournaments he played in but Rossi went 3-2 against him in games. Its not like these tournaments attract the highest levels of Koreans. I just think its sad that when the Koreans win they're "stealing our money" but this accusation would never be made if mOOnGLaDe started playing (and winning) these tournys.
I respect the fact that this is your tournament now, Baldie, but I do hope you will reconsider this rule!

The history of koreans playing in SEA tourneys leads way back to the early masters cups, don't think u were around then..but the rule got implemented after Soulman and KingKong won like back to back MC's (5 in a row). This is basically to stop that from repeating...

We will still have healthy competition with every 4th week being an international field, so you will still get to see SEA vs Foreign players battle it out.

Also Rossi went 2-0, 0-2, 1-2 ? That doesn't add up to 3-2. It's kind of retarded when you compare some korean to glade, since glade has actually been part of the SEA scene and community forever.

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syfChadMann:

Umm.. I don't think that was the comparison he was going for...

[ROOTPetraeus]

Originally Posted by iM mafia

The history of koreans playing in SEA tourneys leads way back to the early masters cups, don't think u were around then..but the rule got implemented after Soulman and KingKong won like back to back MC's (5 in a row). This is basically to stop that from repeating...

We will still have healthy competition with every 4th week being an international field, so you will still get to see SEA vs Foreign players battle it out.

Also Rossi went 2-0, 0-2, 1-2 ? That doesn't add up to 3-2. It's kind of retarded when you compare some korean to glade, since glade has actually been part of the SEA scene and community forever.

I think there is a much smaller skill gap than back in the early tournaments you are referring to.

When I was talking about Rossi, I was talking about his run in the Silcon Sports Cup. (you can't play 7 games in one tourny lol)

I really don't understand your last point. The argument with not letting Koreans join is that they win a lot of our tournaments and in some peoples opinion "steal our money". From my understanding this has nothing to do with how long they have been in the SEA scene. There is no need to use insults when trying to prove a point =/

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iM MaFia:

rossi went 3-4 vs him in silicon cup

[iM MaFia]

Originally Posted by fray`Petraeus

I think there is a much smaller skill gap than back in the early tournaments you are referring to.

When I was talking about Rossi, I was talking about his run in the Silcon Sports Cup.

I really don't understand your last point. The argument with not letting Koreans join is that they win a lot of our tournaments and in some peoples opinion "steal our money". From my understanding this has nothing to do with how long they have been in the SEA scene. There is no need to use insults when trying to prove a point =/

My last point is fairly obvious, obviously ppl can't complain if a sea guy wins a sea tournament.

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ROOTPetraeus:

learn to read

[Baldie]

People saying stuff re SEA vs International

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The best analogy I can come to is if you compare this to traditional sports.

Say you are 17 years old and play football. You play U18's at a club and if you are good enough can represent your state or even country. In other words their are different tiers of play available pending skill.

Let's say I am good enough to represent my state at a national level. It would be inappropriate and unfair for my team to play at a social level game. Sure we could do it but ultimately it wouldn't be fun for us as it would be too easy and it wouldn't be fun for the social guys who get demolished each week.

It's similar with this. It is important to fuel a local community competition and have that prospering before you expand it internationally. It would be like playing 4 rounds at a national level in football and then every 5th week playing a showmatch against another country on an international stage. You would be the under-dogs most likely but the experience you gain could be invaluable. You may get thrashed but it's not something that happens every week and you are close enough in skill to put up a fight (unlike social level).

I think the top tier of SEA is well capable of going toe to toe with some the rest of the world no doubt. However there are few who are willing to go into a tournament knowing they will have to gauntlet through internationals. Would people's opinions on international still be the same if half the tournament became Koreans. I think people are more willing to put up with Koreans in weeklies because the investment in trying to get SEA Power Points is worth it.

Alike America's situation at the moment the Koreans come to MLGs and other major events (even play in Playem's now) and wipe the floor. So the higher end of America just go to events knowing they will have to fight koreans all through the bracket. There is few competitions specific to America which allow them to play each other, develop story lines and personality. It's go to a local event and lose.

I am not fixed in having weeklies SEA but I again emphasise the importance of developing your local scene without opening the flood gates to koreans every event.

Until more SEA only events show up, I think it is important I take a lead role in strengthening the local scene. If there becomes an abundance of SEA only events I will happily open the wT events to an international set of events.

This is a trial like anything and if it turns out to be not a wise decision I will be quick to revert the changes.

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syfChadMann:

Good response.. 100% agree!

[Lukan]

Lukan.449 thankyou