[mGGDrGooSe]

Sorry if I missed it, but what's the rule on promotions during season? Just stay in current tier and assume all teams will roughly promote at the same rate? Also will there be a limit to how many teams play in each tier?

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syfSoundwave:

curious to know about promotions as well

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by mGGDrGooSe

Sorry if I missed it, but what's the rule on promotions during season? Just stay in current tier and assume all teams will roughly promote at the same rate? Also will there be a limit to how many teams play in each tier?

Currently the admins view is: If you are BSG level and promoted to Platinum you will be immediately promoted tiers

Say, for example mGG had a BSG team and P/D team - the transition would be simple, move into the new team.

However, if mGG did not have a P/D team - at the beginning of the season a 'Sister' team would be selected - either by agreement between teams (say TA doesn't have BSG, the few BSG TA players might play with mGG and when mGG promote to P/D they join the TA P/D team) or Admins of the leagues will select a 'sister' team for you. Equally, will players move down if demoted (however I feel this can be by request - if you wish to stay up a tier that should be okay).

This ruling will be in-place for the bottom three tiers.

[FSBenAD]

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann

Currently the admins view is: If you are BSG level and promoted to Platinum you will be immediately promoted tiers

Say, for example mGG had a BSG team and P/D team - the transition would be simple, move into the new team.

However, if mGG did not have a P/D team - at the beginning of the season a 'Sister' team would be selected - either by agreement between teams (say TA doesn't have BSG, the few BSG TA players might play with mGG and when mGG promote to P/D they join the TA P/D team) or Admins of the leagues will select a 'sister' team for you. Equally, will players move down if demoted (however I feel this can be by request - if you wish to stay up a tier that should be okay).

This ruling will be in-place for the bottom three tiers.

That is a really good rule, I assume that these wouldnt count towards "subsitution" caps, if we are having a limit towards roster changes?

Really excited to see this running again!

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Asrathiel:

A nightmare to admin in reality. Still discussing this.

[FSBenAD]

Originally Posted by ETL.Soundwave

Also, I am throwing an open request to any other team out there.

Soundwave Skype: ssj5gogetenks
ViTaL
Halt (officially Diamond, but only because he doesn't ladder. Has GM MMR and owns the shit out of most GMs he plays.)

The three of us cannot form a team on our own, and we need a place to stay. I am proposing an alliance with any team that will take us to be a part of their roster. United we can become stronger and share the glory of a SEACL win. We are strong, and we will not let you down if you choose to take us under your wing. PM me!

We will definitely be in the same boat when it comes to the Masters tiers, i need to get an idea of exactly the whos and whats, but we currently as of right now only have 3 players above diamond (although i suspect some of our diamonds will be masters by the time this starts).

[ThatGuyDoMo]

Christmas has come early!

However I have one question and forgive me for possibly not reading thoroughly enough but I'm fairly sure it wasn't mentioned, SO, if it starts in February and ends 10 weeks later clearly the second half of the season will be being played after the HotS release.

Will there be a mid season switch to the expansion or will it stay WoL until the next season?

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	mGGNemesis:	If there is a mid season switch to HOTs, the leagues placements for the participants might change too?
	fray`Alpha:	good point sir.... good point

[TidaL]

I'm looking forward to this, but HotS may destroy league???? if no switch

Originally Posted by xGKingBenji

xGKingSatu

haha

[|Erasmus|]

What days/time is this going to run on? It's unfair to commit to a team if I can't actually play....

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ToRSpartaz:

Hopefully not a tuesday man =/

[mGGDrGooSe]

When do you need the teams in by? mGG will be looking to field one each in the BSG/PD and MGM divisions, but will probably hold off announcing until we know scheduling.

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fray`Alpha:

yeah what he said :D

[ToRMcLovin]

Back to the topic of Promotions, say you're at the top of the platinum league and playing in the PD tier, but you promote to diamond and feel as though you can play in B-Class, would that be allowed?

[TAEdarus]

Originally Posted by ToRMcLovin

Back to the topic of Promotions, say you're at the top of the platinum league and playing in the PD tier, but you promote to diamond and feel as though you can play in B-Class, would that be allowed?

I would imagine that, since B class is open to all leagues, you could move into it whenever you wanted?
I'd think it may count as a sub tho.

[VB_WhiplashJC]

Are we allowed to tack on a couple of golds in our PD team?

The restrictions are kinda annoying, why not have all tiers unrestricted but sorted in the same way as the top three? We have a couple of masters level players who can't play for VB

Happy it's back, thanks to the admins and sponsor/s!

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann

Currently the admins view is: If you are BSG level and promoted to Platinum you will be immediately promoted tiers

Say, for example mGG had a BSG team and P/D team - the transition would be simple, move into the new team.

However, if mGG did not have a P/D team - at the beginning of the season a 'Sister' team would be selected - either by agreement between teams (say TA doesn't have BSG, the few BSG TA players might play with mGG and when mGG promote to P/D they join the TA P/D team) or Admins of the leagues will select a 'sister' team for you. Equally, will players move down if demoted (however I feel this can be by request - if you wish to stay up a tier that should be okay).

This ruling will be in-place for the bottom three tiers.

I like this, but I'd like to see a cutoff point, say midway through the season for transfers between tiers. What we found last year was that after week 6, things were reviewed and week 6 acted as sort of a midway point. I think there's value in retaining a similar type of thing. Many pro sports leagues around the world have a trade deadline, and this would be similar.

Basically, it's my view that if someone has been playing on say, their BSG team in week 1, then earns a promotion to platinum in week 2, they should absolutely move up immediately (either to their own clan's team or another clan's, if their clan doesn't have a team in that tier like Chadmann suggested). Someone who worked hard and contributed to the team's success and earns a promotion right at the tail end of the season however, should be able to stick it out and play the finals (with familiar plat player restrictions we've had previously). Otherwise, players may actually be incentivised to not ladder actively to avoid promotion, to ladder on other servers/smurf accounts, etc and I don't think that's the right way for the lower leagues to be.

You could of course enforce a 1 league grace after the cutoff period - e.g. in the case that someone in BSG who promotes to Plat after the cutoff and remains in the BSG team then promotes to diamond weeks later, they will be forced to move up a tier regardless.

I know that last season, ToR's BSG team which I was in definitely had a really great sense of camaraderie and spirit, and no one who was plat or near plat would have wanted to move up if they had the option.

[syfChadMann]

On that Bread:
There is currently more discussion into the ruling.
I'm proposing that BSG sign up only and move up when you get to Diamond.. so allow the plats to hang around in tier 5. But anything above plat isn't fair for the league imo. Any feedback that would add to this discussion is welcome.

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breadfan:

I agree there, hope my suggestion helps with some ideas but this sounds a pretty solid solution to me

[mGGDrGooSe]

This dealing with promotions things has the potential to be complicated and confusing. I think it's an adequate assumption to assume that all clans can promote equally with an equal number of practice, and so move about tiers is not necessarily needed. However, I think it would also work to have a re-shuffling mid season. I think any shuffling which takes place more often than that just has a potential for drama, confusion and delays come game night. Having a mid seaons shuffling also means that people who legit move from gold to diamond can be moved.

tl;dr - moving between tiers should occur at a designated time(s), to save confusion and make administration much easier.

[Asrathiel]

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann

On that Bread:
There is currently more discussion into the ruling.
I'm proposing that BSG sign up only and move up when you get to Diamond.. so allow the plats to hang around in tier 5. But anything above plat isn't fair for the league imo. Any feedback that would add to this discussion is welcome.

As BSG admin I support this format.

If there are many promos which result in players leaving the BSG tier, it will become even more necessary to have alliances between clans to keep the tier going. Encourage inactive BSG players in your clans to come play, too! (That totally doesn't apply to me... shhh... I'll be busy admining )

Originally Posted by mGGDrGooSe

tl;dr - moving between tiers should occur at a designated time(s), to save confusion and make administration much easier.

Yup, if we're going to do that, it definitely needs to be at a fixed point which has been agreed upon beforehand and is known by the team leaders, so they can prepare new players to fill their team if they know they'll lose some at that point

[FSBenAD]

Yeah something simple might be good, I agree in the late stages, it would be a shame to lose a player who played 9 of the games, but then gets promoted and misses the finals.

The only thing I dont want is a BSG division which sees mostly platinum's play, which is how it got a bit last time out. You almost never saw a Bronze and Silver player play most of the time.

So if we do allow promotions and plats to stay, that we have some kind of limitation on the number of plats that can play and defintiely do not allow any plats to be in the Tier 5 teams at sign up time.

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Asrathiel:

I will be working out the details over the next few weeks, definitely send me your suggestions!

[Meatex]

I think for BSG players maybe allow plats to keep playing and Diamonds forced up
But a rule that prevents teams from only using their plats that maybe not laddering to avoid another promotion from being the only players who get to play

I think the BSG teams should be encouraged to have all leagues represented to be able to give Bronze and silver the opportunity to play is important
Perhaps by setting first and second maps as bronze and silver players respectively or by having rule stating that the lineup must have all leagues from BSG represented

Just some ideas ^^;

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Asrathiel:

Yup I'll work out something like that ^_^

[mGGDrGooSe]

It's already an unwritten agreement to try and field at least one bronze and one silver player for bsg cw when possible, before fielding the golds. So if teams are encouraged to do the same through seacl it should work. Not entirely sure how that could be enforced given they wont always be available and most clans are currently struggling for bronze and silver numbers anyway.

Yesterday we had our golds offracing because we simply didnt have the bronze or silvers to field, so that might be another way to handle it if things get dire. Again a pain to admin. Fact is BSG and PD will always be hardest to admin because some people improve faster than others and there will always be people looking to take advantage.

[Zealo]

last season we learned:
- 5 divisions is not enough (which is a good thing, a ton of people are interested in competitive SC2 leagues like this one)

- there are barely enough BSGPD players/teams interested to fill one division, yet alone 2.

what has caused the admins to believe the above 2 facts are no longer true?

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	mGGDrGooSe:	mGG accepts your challenge.
	TtSYF.tRoy:	I agree with Zealo, i wasnt hear for last SEACL but i dont think there are enough for 2 P/D leagues, maybe 3 Gm/M ?
	breadfan:	there's only one PD league
	TCPLemminks:	As admin of the last P/D division, we had ~12 teams sign up for P/D. We went on for 2 weeks after T3,T2 and T1 finished

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by Zealo

last season we learned:
- 5 divisions is not enough (which is a good thing, a ton of people are interested in competitive SC2 leagues like this one)

- there are barely enough BSGPD players/teams interested to fill one division, yet alone 2.

what has caused the admins to believe the above 2 facts are no longer true?

Umm I dont know what league you were playing in, But BSG league last season had the perfect amount of teams (10-11) and PD league actually had too many that teams were having to play 2 times a week