[mGGNemesis]

"Unable to vanquish Merlin, Mab mocks him and tells him that he and his human followers can't destroy her, but Merlin knows that there are few people that believe in the Old Ways. He turns his back on her telling her that everyone will forget her, and in forgetting, she will no longer exist. Everyone leaves, ignoring Mab's furious calls, and soon, she fades away into nothing, just the way she had feared from the beginning." - Merlin (1998)

Quick Comments

	SLCN.Wally:	im so confused, 100% sure that titan wrote this
	mGGDrGooSe:	yeah he posted it in skype chat for us as well

[Seffy]

I don't intend to sound so mean or whatever and this will probably be TL;DR but..

Seriously, being negative won't get any of us anywhere. I'm not a M or GM (let alone a P/D), but I know that I won't be able to even have a chance of getting higher than Gold at all if I'm being negative and letting myself down. I may never be able to reach a masters level, but I won't beat myself up over it and will keep playing and doing my best, no matter what happens.

This tournament that Zeratul and Titan are hosting has an aim to throw all the negative away from this community, get people to play more and to get this community even closer together. If we, as a community work together, we can cast away those that ruin it.

He who's name shall not be mentioned is only one person. Letting ONE person dispirit you will have an effect on the others, it chains on. And that's what that one person will want to happen because well let's face it, he'd ruin the community single-handedly. Personally, I don't want that to happen and I'm sure you all would not want that to happen.

So yeah, stay positive. Don't let one person ruin your career in this game that you have gone so far into. You've done all this hard work, keep going. Don't stop. The only way you can go is UP. And finally, don't let the community down. We love seeing games on stream, we love seeing the pros play their best against each other, giving us such great entertainment and inspire us into getting better and better! We thank you for that. And we wish you guys will keep getting better and better because of all the effort you put through!

But everyone here would be upset if people are dispirited because of this... abomination that's come up in our dear SEA server. He's just one person, we're a freaking army, we got this!

If there is a way that we can get closer together as a community, this tournament is definitely taking the right step in my opinion. Huge props to Zeratul and Titan for making the effort and taking up the challenge to achieve this and I wish them the best in their endeavour.

[Flamga]

No he really is that bad, I have ahd him post personal details to my SC2 account whilst ingame, harassing my family members and girlfriend. So yea its pretty bad

[SLCN.Wally]

Originally Posted by FlashFlamga

No he really is that bad, I have ahd him post personal details to my SC2 account whilst ingame, harassing my family members and girlfriend. So yea its pretty bad

The fact that this can happen, and he is still not banned. Utterly confuses me

[ProAnnn]

Forget to mention another reason. I get at least 5 minutes queue time before i get a game. This means i play at least 2-3 lesser games compared to other servers

Quick Comments

	ROOTPetraeus:	thats the point of this...
	Fairyking:	^

[FaMe]

Really neat idea, guys. BoL

[mGGDrGooSe]

re: whiteluxury, at the very least we can get that account banned. I know it hasnt happened yet, but maybe thats because we are being too nice? I say everyone needs to start emailing Blizz ANZ, with links to the evidence, and keep doing so until they respond satisfactorily. And flamga, real life threats are treated under special cyber bullying laws, get that shit to the police and to Blizz ASAP. I guarentee once the cops become involved, the shit will hit the fan. And if it doesn't, get onto a current affair. Those vipers will latch on to any signs of controversy. We've been pretty lenient on whiteluxury up to now. There is no sense whingeing and complaining about someone who is damaging our community. Pull out the friggin pitch forks and get this bitch taken care of. And when he comes back with another name, we'll take care of him again, and again and again, until the bastard realises that when we go to war, we aint messing around.
This is OUR server, not his. It's about time the little girl learnt what it is to play with big boys.

Quick Comments

	Fairyking:	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EaY3Kk5qGM
	Seffy:	That link is perfect.
	Malice:	A current affair creates more drama than reddit
	syfSoundwave:	lmfao Zeratul
	TADivinity:	If it went to Current Affair it would make esports look like "Just kids playing video games".

[Stallion]

having read the op whats with the 3 gms or no points? some people don't ladder sea so kinda doesn't make sense to me

[mGGPrometheus]

Originally Posted by xGKingStallion

having read the op whats with the 3 gms or no points? some people don't ladder sea so kinda doesn't make sense to me

That's the point, we want people to ladder more on SEA. If a clan isn't prepared to actually ladder enough on SEA then I don't see how they deserve to win the ladder challenge. Also, we can't really get a good average unless we have more people. We don't want a one man clan winning the whole thing.

[Stallion]

Originally Posted by mGGTitan

That's the point, we want people to ladder more on SEA. If a clan isn't prepared to actually ladder enough on SEA then I don't see how they deserve to win the ladder challenge. Also, we can't really get a good average unless we have more people. We don't want a one man clan winning the whole thing.

get rid of whiteluxary/onsDotaking and whatever his other ids are and it might be worth playing a few games a week to keep gm, atm though its kinda pointless especially with hots coming up SEA isn't worth the time for when someone plays, also the top players don't really want to vs each other 2 million times as they want to hide their builds from each other

Quick Comments

	Fairyking:	That's your opinion.
	ROOTPetraeus:	and hes allowed to have it.. don't get mad because this might have faults.
	ROCCAT_Savior:	Bar the hots part, thats the opinion of every high level sea player....
	nirvAnA:	silly post stally!

[mGGPrometheus]

If top players don't think it's worth their time that's totally fine. I know a lot of the clans are pretty active on the SEA ladder. We initially thought of this as being a clan-only thing and I think clan-level players would probably benefit the most from it. Of course we'd love it if any teams wanted to participate.

[Baldie]

Person buys SC2 from SEA -> Ladders and goes through leagues -> Reaches Masters and works towards making GM to gain access to said monthly challenges -> Continues to use said challenges as a structure to keep improving while gaining benefits in the process -> Gets to point where the incentive to play locally does not outweigh the inevitable skill benefits in practicing in a more senior community -> ladders elsewhere.

Process repeats.

I am open to anything, however I do have a concern around the well known SEA people coming back to play. A few might but simply put the opportunity cost lost in playing these challenges for a chance at some money vs playing in a higher skill region to improve overall is likely not worth it. Players would rather spend time practicing in a higher skill market to gain access to better tournaments and better money than practice in an area where they have a chance at winning a little bit of money but don't improve a lot (like anything once you are at the highest peak skill wise of an area you won't improve at nearly the same rate as you would if you increased the skill cap - aka look into other regions)

This system however I do feel has a lot of potential as a "grass-roots" system promoting play throughout the leagues while people improve to a level where they can make their mark in other regions.

I have no doubt it would make a difference - how much time will tell but regardless of outcome it is great to see people looking at ways to improve and shift a culture than being resigned to the way it is.

Quick Comments

mGGNemesis:

:)

[nGenLight]

Originally Posted by mGGNemesis

And give him the satisfaction of knowing that he had 'won'? What about all the other players on SEA? There are many others who try their best and earned their way legitly into masters or gm.

We know him as he is : hacker, bm troll etc. When he finds that he needs more satisfaction, he joins clan channels and trolls and picks on other players. Why should we let him dictate how we feel about a server? This one person has serious issues. And are we to say for certain that all other servers, there are no hackers just because we dun know who they are.

Sorry if I do come across as being harsh or if I did word it incorrectly. But I'm a little annoyed about how a minority can dictate how the majority should feel or behave. Laddering to move up and down in this initiative should promote more healthy competition.

If an unworthy person such as whiteluxury could stop you from laddering on SEA, then perhaps you have forgotten the many others who care about this server.

Sorry if I offended in anyway. And yes I'm only plat but I'm not afraid to say what I just said.

mGGZeratul:
How about instead of being negative focus on the positive here. More people play slimer chance of hitting.

I'm not trying to be negative, I'm just pointing out one of the biggest issue that makes me and others like myself not want to play on SEA. You guys have started a good initiative, but you didn't even address the issue that I have brought up. Instead you are have a go at me being negative. When you start something cool like this you need to be prepared to handle feedback objectively :|. You can't go so defensive as soon as someone raises a legit concern!

I don't have that much time, and as much as I want to partake in this (because I really love the idea and initiative you guys are taking, I always enjoyed playing a few games on SEA). I can't help but feel like much of my time will be wasted running into this loser and ruin my experience, and time that I don't have much of, and the opportunity cost of vsing legitimate opponents on other servers.

It isn't about giving up and letting the hacker "feel like he already won". And it's not because I don't care about others, it ain't any of that. It's simply because I don't have time to go into no battle with no pathetic hacker. I'm simply not convinced that laddering on SEA will be an experience worthy of my limited time due to the issue I've brought up. So convince me(and others) - Address the issue and bring forth a plan, discussion or solution, instead of that hostile attitude(I'm speaking to you, Zeratul). Most top players of SEA will concur with my concerns, let's all work together, shall we?

Your league has nothing to do with this, Nemesis. Your opinions don't mean less just because your in a lower league, that is silly. I've always been a fan of how tightly you keep that mGG channel active, love the initiative, once again. I agree with everything that you said in you quote, you've just misunderstood me/my position. I'm on your side, I really want to go ahead with this and rep IM/TA proud aswell as reduce search times on SEA!

I am no E-Sport ambassador, I am just a player with his own limited time and concerns.

Ray

Quick Comments

	ToRDolo:	(L)
	Fairyking:	I'
	mGGNemesis:	:)
	Seffy:	<3

[Zealo]

suggestion: have clans/teams register all their players, but their score each week is the average of their top 3 for that particular week. larger lineups won't be dragged down by weaker players or people who don't ladder that particular week

[nirvAnA]

I love the initiative behind this and the idea is really clever! Banner looks sick too.

You forgot to add in the OP the achievement thing from SC2SEA for all the members in the roster of the winning clan!

[syntox]

Originally Posted by Zealo

suggestion: have clans/teams register all their players, but their score each week is the average of their top 3 for that particular week. larger lineups won't be dragged down by weaker players or people who don't ladder that particular week

Doesn't that go against the purpose of this league? They're trying to get as many people to ladder on SEA as possible, not just 3 top players from each clan
.

[nirvAnA]

Probably needs some tweaking, the problem I see is 1-2 top players from each clan can just play and maintain a high score for the clan every week and win. Should add a bonus or something for each active player in the clan that will encourage more clan mates to ladder. IDK will be tricky to fix a good balance.

[LordByrnsy]

I think its a good idea =) im looking forward to seeing if it works

[mGGDrGooSe]

Originally Posted by Zealo

suggestion: have clans/teams register all their players, but their score each week is the average of their top 3 for that particular week. larger lineups won't be dragged down by weaker players or people who don't ladder that particular week

Maybe we can just have two scores then, an overall average and a top 3 average?

Edit: actually thinking about it, that would only encourage the top 3 people to play, not the whole clan, therefore defeats the purpose.

[FSBenAD]

Originally Posted by mGGTitan

That's the point, we want people to ladder more on SEA. If a clan isn't prepared to actually ladder enough on SEA then I don't see how they deserve to win the ladder challenge. Also, we can't really get a good average unless we have more people. We don't want a one man clan winning the whole thing.

I understand the point above, but for a clan like mine which is still young in the scheme of things and has grown all its GM from lower levels, 3 GMs is a bit requirement to take part... I definitey dont want an advantage from having only one player in GM, but I'd want that to count for something...

We have been discussing this in the slugs and it did get people keen to ladder, but considering we are not a top heavy team, they are already worried we wont even be able to take part. I dont mind that we are disadvantaged because we have less GM players, I just hope we can take part

Quick Comments

	Fairyking:	Amount of players doesn't disadvantage because we do it by the clan average.
	Asrathiel:	Zera, have a look at FS latest update. Think they only have 2 GMs total at the moment