[Nailz]

Originally Posted by DUCKVILLELOL

I have a second account (which should now be listed in my profile I think?) playing terran only, because I'm thinking about switching to T once HOTS comes out.

Don't worry, Diamond P doesn't translate to Diamond T I'm barely gold level.

XD we'll take your word on that one millions wouldn't.
no ducking im not having a go at you. you are a + to the community.
gl this weekend.

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by Nailz

XD we'll take your word on that one millions wouldn't.
no ducking im not having a go at you. you are a + to the community.
gl this weekend.

Just to put some peoples' minds at ease... Duckville isn't just claiming "hey, my offrace is gold standard". He actually has a legitimate second account that he can demonstrate he actively ladders with and is in gold. Suipr's judgments are never made in haste!

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FsDronesInJail:

Suipr is GOD

[Nailz]

hey guy's, Bloody Ridge AE.. has like creep on 3rd bit imba for zvt zvp maybe what you guy's think?

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	AsylumofSouls:	adds balance? I like it :P
	ToRSmotPokingFish:	of course you do, your Zerg... :p i think the creep block is silly, should just be like depo block :)

[Antel0pe]

wtf is this map pool?.. :3

[IXL.GambleJoker]

T_T I will be at friends house, can't play using my laptop.... the keyboard is screwed up == GL to all others

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AsylumofSouls:

Why you have league as plat when you're silver?

[DUCKVILLELOL]

Originally Posted by breadfan

Just to put some peoples' minds at ease... Duckville isn't just claiming "hey, my offrace is gold standard". He actually has a legitimate second account that he can demonstrate he actively ladders with and is in gold. Suipr's judgments are never made in haste!

Exactly, it's not my intent to smurf or anything like that; if I was of higher skill with T, obviously my account would be at a higher rank, and you wouldn't see me compete. Last week Haz decided not to play against me because "no point playing against a Diamond" but I'm not diamond with Terran... I'm diamond with Protoss and trust me it doesn't translate well, at least for me :P

And as Breadfan has pointed out, I'm not pretending that I'm "only gold level" just for kicks - I'm actively playing my T account these days (people have been complaining on my stream that I'm only playing T these days) and rarely go on my P account because... I'm considering switching with HOTS

Meanwhile:

hey guy's, Bloody Ridge AE.. has like creep on 3rd bit imba for zvt zvp maybe what you guy's think?

The creep is not imba at all, it's there to make sure P isn't ridiculous on that map: if the creep wasn't there how on earth would you stop a 4gate with a pylon up on the ridge?

[mGGNemesis]

Originally Posted by DUCKVILLELOL

Last week Haz decided not to play against me because "no point playing against a Diamond" but I'm not diamond with Terran... I'm diamond with Protoss and trust me it doesn't translate well, at least for me :P

And as Breadfan has pointed out, I'm not pretending that I'm "only gold level" just for kicks - I'm actively playing my T account these days (people have been complaining on my stream that I'm only playing T these days) and rarely go on my P account because... I'm considering switching with HOTS

Many players who might b diamond/masters etc with their main race are often not diamond as well with their off races. And he did have a legit active laddering account. It threw me off a little because I was looking for a duckvillelol (seeing that haz wasn't in game as well) and could not find one :P (until I had to ask him to look for me and found out he was fairydust :P)

Good luck with the race switch with HOTS.

[positiv]

Hello!

The map, ESV Bloody Ridge AE has a HUGE flaw:





This allows Zerg to take their third easily and Protoss & Terran to have to kill the tumour and wait for the creep to reside.

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AsylumofSouls:

Not a flaw, good map design.

[DUCKVILLELOL]

This is not a flaw, it's designed so that Zerg can take the third as needed (Zerg's know how important this is...!)

The reason it's there in the first place is to stop 4gate, if you could put a pylon up there at the third and warp into the main... impossible to stop.

[positiv]

Then that is a flaw in the map. You can't fix one race's advantage by giving an advantage to another race. How can you play a really greedy fast three-CC on this map (hypothetically speaking, not saying I would, but I wouldn't be able to if I wanted to)? Playing against a Zerg, how can I block / delay their third hatch? You can't is the short answer. It's not a fair map. It is a straight up, uncontested fast third for Zerg that costs the price of one hatchery. P&T have to spend minerals in order to get access to their third.

A more elegant way to fix the pylon abuse would to put in some dead-space around the main-third border. Water, trees, (non-destructible) rocks, debris... Basically stop the warp-in on the low ground. To a lesser extent, it will also narrow down the Reaper entrance points.

[DUCKVILLELOL]

Originally Posted by positiv

Then that is a flaw in the map. You can't fix one race's advantage by giving an advantage to another race. How can you play a really greedy fast three-CC on this map (hypothetically speaking, not saying I would, but I wouldn't be able to if I wanted to)? Playing against a Zerg, how can I block / delay their third hatch? You can't is the short answer. It's not a fair map. It is a straight up, uncontested fast third for Zerg that costs the price of one hatchery. P&T have to spend minerals in order to get access to their third.

A more elegant way to fix the pylon abuse would to put in some dead-space around the main-third border. Water, trees, (non-destructible) rocks, debris... Basically stop the warp-in on the low ground. To a lesser extent, it will also narrow down the Reaper entrance points.

I'm not really going to argue too much because I've spoken directly to the designer (because initially I thought it was an issue too) and he told me it wasn't - through testing and other means they decided it should be as it is.

It's hardly an "advantage" for zerg to be able to get the third - if a zerg takes a third super fast, they are open to early 1 base pressure, or even 2. If you're a terran and you want a "greedy" third, how about taking the islands that *no* race can get to APART from Terran until t2 tech is out? Your whole point of 'if I can't delay the zerg third' isn't really that logic, if you'd play zerg you'd know you really need to be a base ahead of p or t to be able to compete at all with those races, purely because of the high efficiency of their units compared to zerg.

As for making it a purely blocked off third - how is Tal'Darim going these days? Still gets bitched at by EVERYONE especially Zerg because keeping the zerg from taking a third efficiently really degrades their ability to stay in the game. Any other maps that have a fully blocked off third? Nope. The ONLY map left in the ladder pool that has a rock-blocked third is Tal'Darim, and you can bet your bottom dollar that map is out next week when ladder resets.

Also I forgot: It's not just about 3rd bases: good luck EVER getting a pvp that isn't 4gate if P can warp in from that high ground - and while your idea about adding dead zone has merit; you need to remember this is a remake of an old BW map, as part of the BW remake pack that ESV released (like a few of these ones) - and I'm not sure there is space to add any dead zone unfortunately