[|Erasmus|]

Dox did actually say there was standing room on System's podcast last week... I believe this is where the confusion came from as he is generally seen as an official ACL source.

Just more annoying than anything to have conflicting sources of information.

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Cyanide:

should have also addressed some comments in this thread as well re standing room

[Dox]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

Dox did actually say there was standing room on System's podcast last week...

System said, "I assume" and I said "I think there's standing room as well" with a follow up comment saying, "I'll dig it up and post it tomorrow."

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by Dox

System said, "I assume" and I said "I think there's standing room as well" with a follow up comment saying, "I'll dig it up and post it tomorrow."

I didn't see any post saying 'actually, there is no standing room', and a bunch of people continuing to talk about additional space.

I'm just saying, if I'd known there was nothing without a ticket I'd have carved it into my ******* arm to make sure I remembered so I could go see Tastosis...

[Dox]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

I didn't see any post saying 'actually, there is no standing room', and a bunch of people continuing to talk about additional space.

I'm just saying, if I'd known there was nothing without a ticket I'd have carved it into my ******* arm to make sure I remembered so I could go see Tastosis...

Yep. As it turned out I followed up the U18 thing instead. Place 100% of your blame on me, I can take it.

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by Dox

Yep. As it turned out I followed up the U18 thing instead. Place 100% of your blame on me, I can take it.

I try not to sound like a dick when I say this, but when you get on System's podcast with a big label saying "@ACLDox" and say "Yeah, there's standing room, I'll follow up on how much", my first instinct is to believe that you are an official source of information regarding an ACL run event.

All the other information is somewhat ambiguous, getting express entry, guaranteed seats etc. NOTHING implied that without a ticket you're left out in the cold until Vanzr posted in this thread saying so after the tickets are handed out.

You know how pumped I was about this event, yelling at everyone to go keep bumping the WCS thread on TL to try and get more views. You probably realise how disappointed I am to find out this information is wrong and I have to hope I get accepted as a volunteer to get in (and they'll more than likely prioritize people who say they've booked flights and hotels over me for that, sadly).

I don't view this as 100% your fault, but I will say that you have a lot of trust from a lot of people here, and are seen as an official and generally reliable source of information for these events. If you get it wrong, most of the time people will just believe you, as has happened here.

[Dox]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

I try not to sound like a dick when I say this, but when you get on System's podcast with a big label saying "@ACLDox" and say "Yeah, there's standing room, I'll follow up on how much", my first instinct is to believe that you are an official source of information regarding an ACL run event.

All the other information is somewhat ambiguous, getting express entry, guaranteed seats etc. NOTHING implied that without a ticket you're left out in the cold until Vanzr posted in this thread saying so after the tickets are handed out.

You know how pumped I was about this event, yelling at everyone to go keep bumping the WCS thread on TL to try and get more views. You probably realise how disappointed I am to find out this information is wrong and I have to hope I get accepted as a volunteer to get in (and they'll more than likely prioritize people who say they've booked flights and hotels over me for that, sadly).

I don't view this as 100% your fault, but I will say that you have a lot of trust from a lot of people here, and are seen as an official and generally reliable source of information for these events. If you get it wrong, most of the time people will just believe you, as has happened here.

You're quoting me on saying things I never said, but if doing so makes you feel better, than I'm glad I can be of help to you.

I don't think you appreciate that I'm in the same boat here. I never checked up on the standing room because I put more urgency on the U18 issue. So it's news to me as well.

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by Dox

You're quoting me on saying things I never said, but if doing so makes you feel better, than I'm glad I can be of help to you.

I don't think you appreciate that I'm in the same boat here. I never checked up on the standing room because I put more urgency on the U18 issue. So it's news to me as well.

You clearly said there was standing room. You said you'd clarify numbers. That's all I'm quoting you on... Feel free to point out how this is quoting you on something you didn't say, if you'd like.

I'm just disappointed because coming from ACLDox I assumed this was official, confirmed information and you just needed to look up the numbers you didn't have on you.

Maybe I should have been more careful either way, but I'm just giving some feedback here: People believe what @ACLDox says about ACL events (go figure). If you aren't 100% sure that you're correct, better off just not saying anything.

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

I didn't see any post saying 'actually, there is no standing room', and a bunch of people continuing to talk about additional space.

I'm just saying, if I'd known there was nothing without a ticket I'd have carved it into my ******* arm to make sure I remembered so I could go see Tastosis...

This is a big point. There are people out there who were under the impression that even if they didn't get a ticket, worst case scenario they could still turn up on the day and at least get in. People do act differently in my case. As I said, I luckily logged on to SC2SEA at just the right moment. I didn't bother to set an alarm or anything - why bother? I understood entry was pretty much guaranteed for at least standing areas.

Of course, if you say "venue capacity 300 maximum, that is it, no standing area" I put an alarm in my phone, in gmail, I spraypaint it on my walls and get it tattooed on my forehead, and arrange to head in to work later so that I don't forget to be online ready to smash that register button. Especially having already paid for my airline tickets. I know lots of others who also already paid to fly, but haven't managed any.

It's not to say blame lies solely with the ACL guys - I mean, everyone had the same understanding and same warning, but it is definitely a lesson to be learned. This is a freak of an event, and unfortunately there is this one hiccup with the communication of information. I have to say I actually think Vanzr has responded pretty well to the whole thing, and kudos to the guy for trying to make sure things are right with people who bought tickets. At the end of the day, he and the ACL management could just say "look, sorry guys, this is how it is" and not do anything. But they are going out of their way to make things right the best way possible.

Everyone has a right to feel frustrated, and people shouldn't be slagged off for venting this. It's not fair to just say "it's your own fault" or potentially far worse. But at the same time, a little bit of love to the guys who are copping the venting, taking it in stride, and trying to turn any issues around

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