[nGenLight]

How I dream of the day us known SEA players actually get recognized at Barcrafts (without wearing our uniform). Often time I feel like our own fans ogle towards NA stars more so than their local heroes, it is a little sad. Exposure is key I guess, and as a Player I really don't want to think / don't know of what else I can do, but to "SHOW GOOD GAMES".

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	VoxMSI.Rogue:	♥
	PiG:	aw man yeah this would be sweet... after IEM I felt so proud when dozens of people introduced themseles to me! needthis!
	frequency:	as if all the girls dont swarm to the cute chinese boy already
	TACeeSerps:	I was fanboying over you at Arena Lan, didn't have the guts to say hi though. Does that count??

[Paroxysm]

Yes! Numerous times I have been talking to someone on the ladder, when I'm not raging at protoss ^^, and the chat will lean towards tournaments and whatnot. I mention sc2sea and can imagine a blank stare looking back at me. From there I link them to sc2sea, and say check it out, its a really good site. Whether or not they actually follow through with it is a totally different thing altogether.

But if we want to grow the SEA scene, 2 steps definitely need to be followed:

1. Advertising on the actual SEA Server to people who have no idea what sc2sea.
2. Advertising through all Starcraft 2 Forums - TL, SC2SEA, SCReddit, Twitter etc. etc.

That, in conjunction with hype videos (DOX? haha) on youtube that are linked to screddit and TL is a good way to begin advertising for our region. Even players streaming daily. I stream daily, and I get 15ish viewers on average. Half are from SEA, half are from the rest of the world. 90% of the people from the rest of the world ask, 'what is the SEA server?' in the chat channel.

As we all know, They don't want to come here for anything because we apparently have very little to offer. If we want to improve our region, we have to go to them. It's sad but true.

[nGenLight]

Just an idea, a model we can look up at - Taiwan SC2 Scene.

We could learn a lot from Taiwan, relatively small market like us, however they really got a nice system/exposure/e-sports culture going on there. & Their fans actually know, love, support their local heroes! But I guess that might be because everyone there wears glasses whereas here everyone is running around kicking a football or something.

HRU has like 53475348534 girl fans; Want to see the day where handsome guys like Rossi can get all the cats he can get, for being a SC2 Superstar, and proud of it, too.

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	x5_dot:	men of starcraft calendar?? ;)
	NOM:	^ Iv'e been dying to have this for awhile. :p
	cruxSpoon:	I wear glasses...**** you...or god bless you...your choice
	mGGDrGooSe:	I know we have enough women for a women of starcraft one as well (^_^)

[Cyanide]

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

I mention sc2sea and can imagine a blank stare looking back at me. From there I link them to sc2sea, and say check it out, its a really good site. Whether or not they actually follow through with it is a totally different thing altogether.

Maybe we can get our SEA players to start every game with
"For more replays, visit SC2SEA.COM" lol...

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	breadfan:	Pretty sure that gets automatically added to files when uploaded to that replay site. Players aren't advertising it.
	mGGDrGooSe:	Hey I was gonna suggest that. Start everygame with "glhf, for more local sc2 action visit sc2sea.com" just ctrl+c it in

[Paroxysm]

We should try it for a day or two Cyanide ahaha

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mGGDrGooSe:

comment above got cut off. You can use ctrl+v to say things in game.

[Delraich]

There is a lot of different points raised in this thread. I think a useful starting point would be taking stock of a) where are we now b) where do we want to be c) defining each of the gaps between a and b, and d) then proposing how to actually get to b)

Reading these posts, alot of the suggestions are mostly around b) and d). I haven't specifically tallied and classified the themes of each post, but the main points seem to be around a number of relatively ambicious aims:
Increase the profile of SEA starcraft 2
Have a SEA SC2 hero(s)
Win significant tournaments
Need more money/ get more sponserships
Increase overall professionalism of community and figure heads
Improve opportunities/ support/ training system for players to be able to compete at the very top levels

I am sure that a fair few of the above are linked, but I would think that if doing all of the above things is not possible in one go, maybe a few things can be started that may lead to the others being more feasable. For example, from what I read, it sounds like tGun and Moonglades opportunities in Korea are often cited in a very positive way. With this in mind, if Pig (or someone else) was supported again in this way, this could be a great start in this direction. This person would be a representative of the region and if he/ she ended up winning major stuff and doing speeches and whatnot, this would send a very professional image for SEA that is tied to success (assuming they are also delivering the goods by winning stuff). Then the community should benefit by its association with this person. This one thing could be a significant and relatively feasabile start in this direction.

[syfChadMann]

Exactly why I'm suggesting proping up the production of ACL and other events with 'wasted' money. You know it needs to get bigger, a great step would be to have international players enticed by the prize pool.. Bringing big names to play, and even cast the event will aid in SEA's exposure.

The issue about self sustainability isn't easy to reach as fans aren't willing to pay for content, and there is little to no merchandise to provide an income stream.. If everyone paid $5 to physically enter ACL the bought a replica team shirt from a stand inside, you might get sustainability.. Like sport, what can we learn from sporting teams about this!?..

Imagine the day there is a team league.. And we fly with our team colours on to GAMECOM.Nv stadium to watch iM v Nv... Or tune in to the action on mainstream television.. That would be amazing. I think it's a very long way off.. But professionalism and devotion is the first step. Then spread the passion!!..

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Asrathiel:

Be interesting to see what people feel about paying an entry fee. I'd be happy to pay $5 as suggested...

[FXOBoSs]

The only thing I can do to prop up ACL is to offer our casting and bring our own audience to the event. That is the FXOpen name with the audience thats attached to it.

But again, its a business deal technically.

Both parties gain from the exposure.. But its entirely up to ACL whether they want that to happen.

[inFeZa]

Originally Posted by FXOBoSs

The only thing I can do to prop up ACL is to offer our casting and bring our own audience to the event. That is the FXOpen name with the audience thats attached to it.

But again, its a business deal technically.

Both parties gain from the exposure.. But its entirely up to ACL whether they want that to happen.

This post is completely up in the clouds ~ take it with a grain of salt.

Do it then!~ I'm sure just an offer from FXO to ACL wouldn't hurt, to see what potential growth it could bring to the league, even a one off event with a boosted prize pool big enough to get internationals to fly down (I'm sure that some teams with the cash would love to visit australia, and think it may be an easy win for them).

As you said, both parties would gain from exposure, and it's exposure everyone wants.

With ACL's amazing production value (seriously i think that the stream and everything looks mint) could gain ACL some followers to those who have never really heard of it, in the long run.
I for one know that everyone i've talked to that watched an ACL event has loved it and said that it's entertaining.

The name just isn't out there on an international level just yet. and maybe it's the boost that it needs. I'd like to see how this pans out.

[FXOBoSs]

Originally Posted by inFeZa

This post is completely up in the clouds ~ take it with a grain of salt.

Do it then!~ I'm sure just an offer from FXO to ACL wouldn't hurt, to see what potential growth it could bring to the league, even a one off event with a boosted prize pool big enough to get internationals to fly down (I'm sure that some teams with the cash would love to visit australia, and think it may be an easy win for them).

As you said, both parties would gain from exposure, and it's exposure everyone wants.

With ACL's amazing production value (seriously i think that the stream and everything looks mint) could gain ACL some followers to those who have never really heard of it, in the long run.
I for one know that everyone i've talked to that watched an ACL event has loved it and said that it's entertaining.

The name just isn't out there on an international level just yet. and maybe it's the boost that it needs. I'd like to see how this pans out.

Its entirely up to them. I am not offering them money, just the casting services (which cost me money).

[inFeZa]

Originally Posted by FXOBoSs

Its entirely up to them. I am not offering them money, just the casting services (which cost me money).

I think you'd get more out of it using that money to boost the prize pool and advertise that way and also help out ACL or you could send a player down to compete in the tournament, essentially not giving ACL anything except for the viewers who would tune in to watch that player if you announce he's coming down to play. (if he's allowed)

[FXOBoSs]

Originally Posted by inFeZa

I think you'd get more out of it using that money to boost the prize pool and advertise that way and also help out ACL or you could send a player down to compete in the tournament, essentially not giving ACL anything except for the viewers who would tune in to watch that player if you announce he's coming down to play. (if he's allowed)

I would get pretty much nothing out of giving money away. I'd have to become the major sponsor for it to matter which is an investment I, and my company would not be prepared to make.

[Dox]

Originally Posted by FXOBoSs

Its entirely up to them. I am not offering them money, just the casting services (which cost me money).

Casting services isn't really an area we're lacking in though. To be honest, one of the most valuable things you could do would be to spread the word. And that's free!

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x5_dot:

yay spread the wordd!

[cruxSpoon]

Originally Posted by Dox

Casting services isn't really an area we're lacking in though. To be honest, one of the most valuable things you could do would be to spread the word. And that's free!

Our casters are brilliant, however, I feel that SEA could still benefit from an offer that BoSs is proposing.

Bringing Wolf over would bring viewers who follow wolf, which brings exposure, which is our endgame goal. Its not about capability, cause our casters are extremely capable, its about exposure.

Having said that, I doubt Wolf (or someone equally e-famous) would want to come over considering their already busy schedule.

EDIT: I did not realise this dox, apologies. Still point still stands, not as strong though :P

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Dox:

Wolf departed FXO a very, very long time ago

[Stallion]

Originally Posted by cruxSpoon

Our casters are brilliant, however, I feel that SEA could still benefit from an offer that BoSs is proposing.

Bringing Wolf over would bring viewers who follow wolf, which brings exposure, which is our endgame goal. Its not about capability, cause our casters are extremely capable, its about exposure.

Having said that, I doubt Wolf (or someone equally e-famous) would want to come over considering their already busy schedule.

havn't people like tasteless and artosis said they want to visit nz/aus? might as well give it a go. I'll read up this thread tomorrow and give my 2 cents. love these discussions. also love the fact FXOBoss is taking the time out to discuss this with us .

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Asrathiel:

Don't really wanna think how much it would cost to have Tastosis over O_o

[Unstable]

Originally Posted by cruxSpoon

Our casters are brilliant, however, I feel that SEA could still benefit from an offer that BoSs is proposing.

Bringing Wolf over would bring viewers who follow wolf, which brings exposure, which is our endgame goal. Its not about capability, cause our casters are extremely capable, its about exposure.

Having said that, I doubt Wolf (or someone equally e-famous) would want to come over considering their already busy schedule.

I had this discussion with wolf less than a week ago, it is not the casters themselves that bring in viewers, they are the ones who make viewers stay. Example being our last invitational, the difference in viewers between wolf casting with me me casting with raelcun casting with me was literally 0.

There are really 4 levels of casters

- Terrible ones people complain and tune out becaues of
- ones people dont like but wont complain and will mute/tune out
- good ones that make people stay and ppl like but wont go out of their way to praise them
- casters like nick and dan who ppl rave about

It is about the brand recognition, when people tune into fxopen streams they know that there will be casters of the top two tier's at least because that is what my standards have been since we started so that is what people expect. Along with the production value that we bring as well.

When it comes to casters themselves, the only casters who "bring in" viewers are nick and dan, they have said they want to AU but their price would simply be too high and they are far too busy at the moment, I will run it by them though.

Originally Posted by inFeZa

You're prepared to send casters, so Send a player instead! You'll get the exposure from his results. If you tweet or something that the player is playing in this tournament, more people will watch.

Offering streaming/casting services doesn't have to be onsite. Take for example our Malaysian Lan a few months ago, casters were offsite with me onsite to handle camera positions/interviews.Low cost high payoff

Originally Posted by Dox

"Hey ACL are running a big event back in my home country, check out the grand finals now! <Stream Link>". I mean, we* do it for FXO events, but it's a one way street.

I mean, this entire discussion is about growth and awareness, yet there's no co-operation. Everyone wants to do their own thing and keep their exposure in their own corner of the room. I can understand this when you've got events overlapping, but as a whole it'd be nice to see more collaboration.

Ok, i'll go out on a limb here and offer this co-operation between FXOpen and ACL and i'll leave the ball in your court

I'll offer FXOpen services/experience in the form of:

- our media exposure for ACL events
- Our stream/casters during the event as well to bring in additional viewers from our viewerbase
- I will consult with your production guys as the production is good now but can be much better, camera positions, bitrates/transitions etc
- our tournament admin help to reduce downtime (there was 0 downtime during our malaysian LAN)

Once again it's up to you, this is the scenario myself and boss thought up that we would help out as much as we could.

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Asrathiel:

Sounds like a good offer to me

[ACL VaNzR]

Originally Posted by Unstable

Ok, i'll go out on a limb here and offer this co-operation between FXOpen and ACL and i'll leave the ball in your court

I'll offer FXOpen services/experience in the form of:

- our media exposure for ACL events
- Our stream/casters during the event as well to bring in additional viewers from our viewerbase
- I will consult with your production guys as the production is good now but can be much better, camera positions, bitrates/transitions etc
- our tournament admin help to reduce downtime (there was 0 downtime during our malaysian LAN)

Once again it's up to you, this is the scenario myself and boss thought up that we would help out as much as we could.

If you feel the necessity to help us, feel free to contact me privately.

[Unstable]

double post fml

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	cruxSpoon:	Post so good had to post it twice :D
	NOM:	duuble pasta

[ROOT`iaguz]

It would also help if we could find a weekend where absolutely nothing else was going on!

Sadly this is difficult.

Also, as a player I think I'm happier without Leenock coming down to acl. I thought the idea was to try and prevent all zerg top 8's!

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	Snx.FigJig:	but that'
	inFeZa:	there's pther fxo players ahhaa

[Kablamo]

These are just my personal opinions that I have witnessed first hand.

I definitely feel like there is that "old boys club" to the SC2SEA scene, but I feel like it is a bit more than that. The impression I have gotten is that the vast majority of community members here think of themselves as FAR more important than they really are, to put things bluntly. I've noticed that unless something is going to directly benefit a person they see helping someone else as a waste of their time, despite how much everyone proclaims to want to help the "scene grow", it's more along the lines of helping the "scene grow when it benefits me".

I've wanted to lend my talents to helping this scene out for along time, unfortunately at every step people from the community have always done something rude or straight up dick-ish that has made me want to do anything BUT help the community.

The video I released last week was originally going to be showcasing the SEA scene, in particular the Australian scene, Because of many reasons the video changed and became what it was released as... luckily I think it turned out for the better, but that's just me.
EDIT: The video mentioned can be found at: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=5244

Obviously I don't mean everyone in the community is like this, but unfortunately in my experience the vast majority of people have been. Which really does suck. If it has happened to me in my attempts to create content for people I'm willing to bet it's happened to other more important people as well. If we want this community to grow into something truly amazing, something self sustaining, and something we can all be proud of then the first step we must take is to have a major change in our collective attitudes.

P.S I'm still open for producing video content for this community, if anyone has any potential projects you'd like to discuss shoot me a PM!

(Hope this was coherent! I kinda just wrote it up all over the place!)

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	x5_dot:	do you have a link to that video?
	UHF:	I feel this way as well sometimes
	nirvAnA:	its unfortunate you had that expereince, but not all of us are like those you describe! :)
	cruxSpoon:	That video was awesome, i found it on reddit :D, remember, the biggest dick makes the most noise, but there aren't many