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Unread Wed, 4th-Jul-2012, 10:43 AM Who's Who:   BnetId: Dox.792  Race: Location: Brisbane  Total Posts Made: 2,980 # 20
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I'm on the fence about Double Elimination, and unfortunately when it comes to ACL this is out of my hands. ACL is always about offering players more games (read: value for money) and Groups/Double Elimination is one way to support this.

Furthermore, there were soooooo many tournaments for a very long period of time where players would say, "wtf? Single Elim?" or "wtf? Best of 1?" because it puts everything on a knifes edge. One accident or misplaced engagement and you're out. It's not very forgiving. So it's nice to have that extra security.

However I do agree that most of the time, the grand finals are very underwhelming for a spectator.

But recently, we saw a perfect example of how Double Elimination Grand Finals can be an absolute spectacle - tgun vs TargA in the ASUS / Gamespot Pro-Am. tgun fell to TargA 0-2 in the WB finals, then came back to win the whole thing 2-0 2-1 in the Grand Final. Those are the sorts of storylines which truly make you appreciate double elimination. There was so much tension going into that final set, and final map. We've rarely seen anything like it.

So yeah... I'm truly torn. There needs to be a healthy balance between viewer satisfaction and player satisfaction. As far as ACL is concerned, this isn't going to change any time soon. As for the rest of the events I operate, I'd be interested to poll the community and see what consensus emerges. If people want more Single Elimination, I'm flexible!



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When I asked you what was happening with it or how development was going i just got ignored.
Uhhh? I asked for FTP access to implement it and you said no.

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I did ask for the replay parser code that displays the replay chat from you since you figured it out and we didn't, about 2-3 times got ignored
What the hell? I linked you and like 5 other people to the files.

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told you that you were more than welcome to create it on a demo site and i would move it over - as I added in a lot of custom coded stuff which would break the site instantly if just one line of code was out of place.
I'm really struggling to wrap my head around the logic here. We've already spoken about this but you still seem to be under the impression that I'd be modifying production files rather than working in test environment.

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So yea, I dislike this notion of the site being "hindered by severe limitations" because it isn't, and its especially untrue since people know me and a few others have spent enormous amounts of time trying to progress it. Veteris / paperclip have done amazing work on the site and at no time did they ever ask for full admin control of the site or FTP access because it just isn't necessary.
I have about 3 hours every day to contribute to the site, and your "solution" of copy/pasting blocks of code to me on skype so that i could edit them and send them back to you for implementation is less than ideal. I don't know why you're being so bloody defensive when I clearly said in my first post, "That's his choice, it's fine." Can you please read that slowly and repeatedly? I'm okay with it. I wanted to contribute more, but you put a limit on how much I could actually do. This doesn't make you a bad guy, it just makes you a little bit foolish for turning down a free service which would inevitably bring you more money.

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If your need for absolute control drives you to make another site that will inevitably split the community then so be it man, just don't you dare try to put it on me as the reason.
It's not about control, it's about having to jump through ridiculous hoops to implement enhancements. I do this shit for a living, and not once has any of my clients ever refused access to a server/database because they recognise that this is critical to the implementation process. I offer to build you a house and you tell me to do it one-handed. Why do you think it'll "inevitably split the community?" I'm not planning to detract from SC2SEA, I'm simply offering facilities that it cannot.

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'need for absolute control' made me think of the words 'pot, kettle', hmmm
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