[MezjE]

LINE UPS PLEASE SEND BY PM ONLY, PM IS ALWAYS BEST FORM OF CONTACT.

Brackets
PD Round 1 - Saturday 30th June 7pm AEST
BSG Round 1 - Sunday 1st July 7pm AEST

Scoring
Scoring will follow xGTL format:

Scoring
Wins	Points
Major Win (4-0 or 3-1)	3 Points
Minor Win (3-2)	2 Points
Minor Loss (2-3)	1 Point
Major Loss (0-4 or 1-3)	0 Points

The matches are best of 5 (First to win 3), ProLeague format with an ace match. The lineups are submitted confidentially by team captains and the full lineups are published before the match day. A lineup will consist of four players to play a Bo3, and an ace player who can be any player, even one who has already played. Each of the teams play each other once in the round robin phase, before qualifying for an elimination playoff. All six teams will be involved in the playoffs for the finals with the bottom four seeds playing off in preliminary finals for the right to face the top two in the semi finals. All the the games will be ran simultaneously and streaming only done if both teams approve. The ACE match player can be any player in your roster and doesn't have to be determined until the time of the ACE match
NOTE: PD teams must play at least 1 Platinum player.

Map Pool:

• WCS Cloud Kingdom LE
• WCS Antiga Shipyard
• WCS Entombed Valley
• WCS Daybreak LE
• WCS Ohana LE
• WCS Tal'Darim Altar LE
• WCS Shakuras Plateau

Maps

Maps for Round 1
Game #	Map
Game 1	WCS Antiga Shipyard
Game 2	WCS Tal'Darim Altar LE
Game 3	WCS Daybreak LE
Game 4	WCS Shakuras Plateau
ACE	WCS Cloud Kingdom LE

Scores

Scores after Round 1
Points	Map
3	ACT/TAS/NT, QLD
2	NSW
1	WA
0	VIC, SA

Scores after Round 1
Points	Map
3	QLD
2	None
1	None
0	VIC, SA, ACT/TAS/NT, WA, NSW

Matches

South Australia vs Queensland
Player	Map	Player
FSVulcan 1	WCS Antiga Shipyard	2 Venom
tbhVisions 0	WCS Tal'Darim Altar LE	2 TheGentleman
GuessWho 1	WCS Shakuras Plateau	2 elimzkE
honeybadger 2	WCS Daybreak LE	0 TheGentleman

New South Wales vs Western Australia
Player	Map	Player
killself 2	WCS Antiga Shipyard	0 AsGNasch
livibee 0	WCS Tal'Darim Altar LE	2 EzDefault
Moonprentice 0	WCS Daybreak LE	2 azunyan
VBbandit 2	WCS Shakuras Plateau	1 Head
killself 2	WCS Cloud Kingdom LE	1 Dan

Victoria vs Territories
Player	Map	Player
Walkover	WCS Antiga Shipyard	2 QEDMazaire
yurick 1	WCS Tal'Darim Altar LE	2 Jerreh
Shadowz 0	WCS Daybreak LE	2 harmsup
iprArrival 2	WCS Shakuras Plateau	0 DeMackas

Matches

South Australia vs Queensland
Player	Map	Player
Suipr (AsylumofSouls) 1	WCS Antiga Shipyard	2 HoHGunter
Synthetic 2	WCS Tal'Darim Altar LE	1 Postage
Synthetic 2	WCS Shakuras Plateau	0 WoLF
Bobas 2	WCS Daybreak LE	0 Ordas

Quick Comments

FSDele:

could you please add the date to this post? don't want to forget when it's on.

[FSDele]

keep up the good work!

[MezjE]

Added the dates, posted it while I was working on it so I just sneakily went with it and continued to edit it hehe >.>

[FSBenAD]

I assume that is 7pm AEST?

[MezjE]

Originally Posted by BenAD

I assume that is 7pm AEST?

Yuppo, will change now, still working on OP!

[FSBenAD]

Hahah no worries, sorry for all the questions

[dekay'd]

Can we still play even if we haven't placed this season? I haven't done my placement match yet, but I've only ever been in Bronze, Silver or Gold, so can I still play or do we have to be in a league?

The reason I ask is that if I get placed into plat I won't be able to play in the BSG league

[MezjE]

I recommend you do your placement and see where you get placed and that will be determine which team you play for.

Quick Comments

dekay'd:

K, thanks

[ninja brett]

i was gold when i signed up but i literally just made plat what happens ?

Quick Comments

	TAminimat:	wow how fast you improving?! congrats :)
	AsylumofSouls:	congrats man, we'll miss you in the BSG

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by ninja brett

i was gold when i signed up but i literally just made plat what happens ?

Welcome to the NSW P/D team.

[VB_Blake]

NSW PD Team: I can't make this weekend, sorry all. GL!

Quick Comments

	sRDreaM:	Noooooooo T_T
	FsDronesInJail:	Our ace card.. oh noes

[AsylumofSouls]

So the rules of ProLeague format are...
Match-ups one to four are each a best of 3 played at the same time by 4 different players from each team resulting in a four game scoreline and if the score is 2 - 2 an ace match is played to decide the outcome?
I am unfamiliar with the format so just trying to clarify it in my head before I let my players know what's going on.

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Also, what is the decision on players who get promoted during the league?
If you say they can no longer continue in their starting team, I will be encouraging my players to stay away from ladder preventing this issue and keeping enough players for us to continue in the league.
Seems it would be a better rule to allow the players to continue in whatever team they are in for the first week maybe? (assuming that league is legit of course and obviously placement match for s8 must be played)

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Sorry for the extra questions but lastly, what are the restrictions on BSG?
Do we have to have a certain number from and or should I tell those guys they're not required since I'd be afraid the other teams would just field golds?

[MezjE]

Originally Posted by AsylumofSouls

So the rules of ProLeague format are...
Match-ups one to four are each a best of 3 played at the same time by 4 different players from each team resulting in a four game scoreline and if the score is 2 - 2 an ace match is played to decide the outcome?
I am unfamiliar with the format so just trying to clarify it in my head before I let my players know what's going on.

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Also, what is the decision on players who get promoted during the league?
If you say they can no longer continue in their starting team, I will be encouraging my players to stay away from ladder preventing this issue and keeping enough players for us to continue in the league.
Seems it would be a better rule to allow the players to continue in whatever team they are in for the first week maybe? (assuming that league is legit of course and obviously placement match for s8 must be played)

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Sorry for the extra questions but lastly, what are the restrictions on BSG?
Do we have to have a certain number from and or should I tell those guys they're not required since I'd be afraid the other teams would just field golds?

Ok,

Q1) What you said is 100% correct and if it goes to Ace match it is considered a Minor Win
Q2) What ever league they start in in Round 1 will be the one they're in throughout the whole tourney, I don't want people playing less SC2 to play in this! S8 placement must be played though and obviously no ranking lowering on purpose.
Q3)BSG teams are pretty short on numbers so hopefully this isn't an issue but Ill change it like PD where 1 B/S must be played in the first game.

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

Yeahh.. I think we might be rushing into this a bit quick.. :S..

Also.. NSW PD team will be taking on ninja brett - aka mOOnPReNtice and killself - Zerg and Terran respectively.. need to work out team rosters and finalise format before we start leaping into round 1.. :S

Round 1 may be pushed back a week if teams cannot get their captains and line ups to me by Friday...

[DeMackas]

You can put me down for captain of the Tassie/Territories PD team. I know most of the guys irl.

[ToRdizz]

I'll repost this from the other thread for NSW BSG

> If no one volunteers to be NSW BSG captain by Friday, I guess I'll do it so we don't get penalised.

If anyone from the team wants to meet up in sc2 during the week so we can organise a roster, PM me.

[ninja brett]

i was gonna be NSW Bsg captain but i am plat now

[syfChadMann]

Yeahh.. I think we might be rushing into this a bit quick.. :S..

Also.. NSW PD team will be taking on ninja brett - aka mOOnPReNtice and killself - Zerg and Terran respectively.. need to work out team rosters and finalise format before we start leaping into round 1.. :S

Quick Comments

VB_Blake:

do we have a captain yet? ;)

[ToRdizz]

Noooo. Damn you for improving!

[breadfan]

Talking with the WA guys who have some scheduling conflicts with this weekend - is there any rule regarding postponement? Can we organise to postpone matches between ourselves as long as we get the games completed by a certain day? If we can organise some postponed matches, I can submit a lineup tonight. Otherwise, it'll rely on my ability to contact everyone which I can't guarantee (if someone happens to not be online tonight)

Also just while I'm thinking about this sort of this, an issue that was found during SEACL - is there a substitution policy? Cana team sub someone in the event of a no-show?

Quick Comments

FsDronesInJail:

was curious about the subs thing aswell

[MezjE]

I think we will just do walkovers but I will discuss it with the other admins later.

All the dates are getting pushed back one week as well so everything can be fully worked out and there is no rush.

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by CombatEZ

I think we will just do walkovers but I will discuss it with the other admins later.

All the dates are getting pushed back one week as well so everything can be fully worked out and there is no rush.

OK well since we have time, I'll give my opinions from a player perspective

My vote is definitely to see every match get played wherever possible - I'd prefer reschedules in all cases rather than subs. I mean, sure there can be restrictions on subs so that the other team doesn't get disadvantaged, like either the sub must be a lower league than the player they replace, or the sub must be the same race. I'd really like it if every no-show was a default reschedule (which I think is the way it went in SEACL). There's inevitably the guy who loses power/internet drops out 15 mins before match time who just can't get on. While that sucks for his opponent who is online expecting a game, I think that person deserves the ability to basically pick the reschedule time rather than simply get a free win.

So player X is online waiting, his opponent player Y doesn't show. Y gets on and says "Sorry, crashed my car, had to get towed. I can play Monday 5pm, Tuesday 6pm or Wednesday 7pm". Player X gets the option to pick from all available times the one that best suits him, and if they can't agree, THEN player X gets awarded the walkover. It's not a perfect system, someone who really wants to take a w/o can just claim the times don't suit them, but I don't think many people have this kind of attitude, especially in the BSG tournament.

Winning by walkover isn't a fun way to win, and losing by walkover really stings everyone else on the team.

[Heady]

NSW 3 - 2 WA

New South Wales vs Western Australia
Player	Map	Player
killself 2	WCS Antiga Shipyard	0 AsGNasch
livibee 0	WCS Tal'Darim Altar LE	2 EzDefault
Moonprentice 0	WCS Daybreak LE	2 azunyan
VBbandit 2	WCS Shakuras Plateau	1 Head
killself 2	WCS Cloud Kingdom LE	1 Dan

Quick Comments

VB_Blake:

wp

[FSBenAD]

Ah ok so Round 1 next weekend then?

If thats the case I'll resend my lineup, so you can ignore the one I sent, since I need to recheck who is available that weekend

[FSBenAD]

I agree with breadfan... I dont know how seriously everyone else is taking this, but I figure at our level we are playing for fun, and playing games rather then winning games is what its all about.

plus the fact that players are more casual at our level and there are guarenteed to be people who cant make it at the last minute each week.. I'd love to see a sub rule.

[AsylumofSouls]

Agreed with both posts above.
Also, the trouble I went to to organise players for this Sunday only to find it's been postponed is a little annoying... but probably for the best

[FSBenAD]

So... have we got any more clarification on what the rules for subs etc will be?

Dont mean to be pushy, but it has a big affect on who I'll pick for the matches, if someone who doesnt turn up is a walkover

[MezjE]

Posted PD Match ups for tonight, now editing dates thread!

[ninja brett]

where can you find matchup ?

[TheGentleman]

I'm slightly confused about the Victoria Vs. Territories matchup. Looks like some weird form of Copy and paste of the SA Vs. QLD one.

Quick Comments

AsylumofSouls:

Seems like it =\

[AsylumofSouls]

Why you say you've only received the Qld BSG lineup when I sent mine already as well?
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[FaDeHellfyre]

Originally Posted by AsylumofSouls

Why you say you've only received the Qld BSG lineup when I sent mine already as well?
=\

I sent mine days ago too :/

[ETL.ViTaL]

just to clarify round one will be starting at 7pm tonight (Sat 30th June) for the P/D SoO

[ninja brett]

you have made a mistake with the maps, you said daybreak was game 3 but then it is change to game 4 ?

[FSBenAD]

South Australia vs Queensland
Player	Map	Player
FSVulcan (1)	WCS Antiga Shipyard	Venom (2)
tbhVisions (0)	WCS Tal'Darim Altar LE	TheGentleman (2)
GuessWho (1)	WCS Shakuras Plateau	elimzkE (2)
honeybadger (2)	WCS Daybreak LE	TheGentleman (0)

QLD had no sub so I agree to let TheGentleman play twice,

[MezjE]

Switching it up now, I c/p as I didnt have VIC line up but thought I changed TER... Was in a huge rush to get to ComicCon soz.

From now on please just PM me line ups... Skype I am having heaps of issues with.

[ninja brett]

is this still happening next week, or are you gonna delay as everyone will be at ACL

[MezjE]

Originally Posted by ninja brett

is this still happening next week, or are you gonna delay as everyone will be at ACL

Good point! Most likely delay.

[ToRVenom]

U know what i think Queensland is goign to take this away EZ.. Look at those scores... what ballers.

Quick Comments

AsylumofSouls:

Just wait for the BSG results mate

[AsylumofSouls]

Considering games are tonight, can the OP please be updated with the match-ups so we know what to plan for?

Quick Comments

ToRVenom:

U seem so eager .. i dont know why its not like you have a chance.. only problem is we have GUNTER

[Odras]

So what is happening with the BSG tonight? Is it going ahead? Do states have teams? It would be good if we could get an update on what was happening.

[AsylumofSouls]

I know for a fact SA and QLD will be playing because we organised it ourselves going on the assumption it's the same state matchups as PD league.

I'm suggesting here that the other teams do the same (and I will send the captains a pm telling them that also) and hopefully next week we can get some more organised administration

EDIT: Sent a message to the captains I could work out. Not sure on them because the Captains post hasn't been updated. Sorry guys. Everyone please let your captain know to send in a team and contact the opposing captain if they can. I'll update captains here with links if I have any wrong and you want to post an update for me below...

Known Captains:
SA - Suipr
QLD - TheGentleman
NSW - ninja brett (confirm please)
WA - FaDeHellfyre
TAS/Territories - TABottles
VIC - don't know

[qirat]

WA team is ready to play at 5pm, i thought we were playing queensland?

Quick Comments

TheGentleman:

qirat, we honestly have little idea of what's going on, we can only hope that next week it's more organised.

[TheGentleman]

Originally Posted by AsylumofSouls

I know for a fact SA and QLD will be playing because we organised it ourselves

This is true... here are the match details:

Time: 7PM AEST
Server: SEA
Channel: bsgpdsoo
Report results to: Suipr (AsylumofSouls) (you can report results to me but I won't be available so it will have to be via PM)

BSG: South Australia vs Queensland
Player	Map	Player
Suipr (AsylumofSouls)	WCS Antiga Shipyard	HoHGunter
Luneth	WCS Tal'Darim Altar LE	Postage
Synthetic	WCS Shakuras Plateau	WoLF
Bobas	WCS Daybreak LE	Ordas

Quick Comments

AsylumofSouls:

thx Mate :D

[Fairyking]

If there are any no shows for QLD let me know

Quick Comments

TheGentleman:

For the next PD one I'm intending to include you in our line up... unfortunately a diamond player can't play in a BSG :(

[qirat]

where are the other teams for bsg, how come they arent posted on here?

todays the game?/

[Obsta-]

Yeah WA is ready, we were told that we are vsing Qld. However our captain couldn't make it for whatever reason.

[TheGentleman]

Originally Posted by Obsta-

Yeah WA is ready, we were told that we are vsing Qld. However our captain couldn't make it for whatever reason.

AsylumofSouls and I have had a small discussion which we'll talk to CombatEz about but we're thinking WA gets a BYE due to a major competition in WA. Don't know where the others stand, it's hard to comment on something I'm not organising.

[TAEaeron]

I have seen so little information on this; happy to play in the P/D team for Vic but when I signed up it was interest only and haven't really heard anything more than that. Have been looking through thew posts and I can't see rosters and/or what weeks are to be played. As I said a while ago; I am happy to help admin this.
If the capt for P/D for VIC would like me to play can they please PM me or can somebody direct me to where I can find out this information.

[MezjE]

Originally Posted by TAEaeron

I have seen so little information on this; happy to play in the P/D team for Vic but when I signed up it was interest only and haven't really heard anything more than that. Have been looking through thew posts and I can't see rosters and/or what weeks are to be played. As I said a while ago; I am happy to help admin this.
If the capt for P/D for VIC would like me to play can they please PM me or can somebody direct me to where I can find out this information.

Dates/Times
http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=4980

Rosters (Still needs updating which is hard as the rosters are spread around in different threads etc so bear with me, if you wanted to help I don't see why all the people complaining haven't just taken some initiative and just gotten the layout and done the rosters themselves then PM'd them too me...)
http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=5088

Round 1 Results (Only for PD as I only got QLD and SA line ups...)
http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=5063

If you want to help please just take some initiative rather than just constant whining.

Quick Comments

	AsylumofSouls:	Ask people to do certain things. They can't help you if you don't tell them what to do.
	TAEaeron:	Thanks for the information

[TAEaeron]

Originally Posted by CombatEZ

If you want to help please just take some initiative rather than just constant whining.

How is me posting on this once constant whining? I was asking for information; I also pm'd one of the guys in the interest only thread asking if they needed help.
Don't get me wrong I can see that work that you are putting in and it's in the right direction, but accusing me of constant whining is a bit rich.
Tell me what haven't you done, and I will give you a hand no point in me going and re-creating the wheel when said wheel has already been created; I was merely avoiding stepping on toes.

[MezjE]

Originally Posted by TAEaeron

How is me posting on this once constant whining? I was asking for information; I also pm'd one of the guys in the interest only thread asking if they needed help.
Don't get me wrong I can see that work that you are putting in and it's in the right direction, but accusing me of constant whining is a bit rich.
Tell me what haven't you done, and I will give you a hand no point in me going and re-creating the wheel when said wheel has already been created; I was merely avoiding stepping on toes.

That comment was definitely not aimed at you sorry. It was more aimed at AsylumOfSouls and I'm not sure if there is a communication issue but I feel as though every comment he makes targets and puts me down for my attempts at helping out.

As I mentioned the team rosters need to be done, here are the links I have down:

SA BSG - http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?p=103298
VIC PD - http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=5075

I can't find where the other rosters were sent to me, presuming they even had.

Thanks mate.

[TheGentleman]

Results for the SA Vs. QLD BSG SoO which we played regardless =D

BSG: South Australia vs Queensland
Player	Map	Player
Suipr (AsylumofSouls) 1	WCS Antiga Shipyard	2 HoHGunter
Synthetic 2	WCS Tal'Darim Altar LE	1 Postage
Synthetic 2	WCS Shakuras Plateau	0 WoLF
Bobas 2	WCS Daybreak LE	0 Ordas

Major win to SA: +3 points.
Major loss to QLD: +0 points.

Quick Comments

QEDPostage:

Synthetic = OP :P

[AsylumofSouls]

CombatEZ.
There are a lot of people frustrated at the complete lack of information about the league.

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Some of us go to a lot of trouble each week organising our teams only to find out there's no information anywhere on who we're playing, or even if we're playing at all.

None of the forum OPs are being regularly updated and when they are updated, often incorrect information is posted which is not helping the issue.

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If you need help with administration, you would be better off asking the many people who have offered to help you and giving them jobs rather than having captains of teams decide this league is more trouble than it's worth which is definitely where this is heading.

[MezjE]

Originally Posted by AsylumofSouls

CombatEZ.
There are a lot of people frustrated at the complete lack of information about the league.

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Some of us go to a lot of trouble each week organising our teams only to find out there's no information anywhere on who we're playing, or even if we're playing at all.

None of the forum OPs are being regularly updated and when they are updated, often incorrect information is posted which is not helping the issue.

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If you need help with administration, you would be better off asking the many people who have offered to help you and giving them jobs rather than having captains of teams decide this league is more trouble than it's worth which is definitely where this is heading.

I respect that heaps of people have offered to help and that people are busy just as I am but I am certain that I said many times which teams had sent their line ups and who hadn't and that if the team you are playing hasn't figure it out yet just try and organise it on the night...

I think your criticism is a little exaggerated, the only OP that was riddled with issues was the Teams OP but I have asked for help with it and I hope I receive some.

I'm sure you mean well but when you try and organise your first tournament to help out the community and stick your hand out there I am sure you wouldn't enjoy it when you have a constant negative attitude, especially from someone who labels themselves as someone dedicated to the BSG scene... Clearly you would have the most power and contacts to help set this up so what was stopping anyone from PMing the respective captains on the night and at least trying to organise a few games and then shooting me the results via PM...

No information? I am not sure where I left any team with 'absolutely no information' I tried my best to let the teams know what to do, who had sent their line ups etc, and all the captains names I had posted were correct so what was stopping anyone taking some initiative...

Quick Comments

AsylumofSouls:

This 'negative attitude' is in your head. Doing all I can to keep this league of yours alive mate.

[FaDeHellfyre]

Originally Posted by CombatEZ

I respect that heaps of people have offered to help and that people are busy just as I am but I am certain that I said many times which teams had sent their line ups and who hadn't and that if the team you are playing hasn't figure it out yet just try and organise it on the night...

I think your criticism is a little exaggerated, the only OP that was riddled with issues was the Teams OP but I have asked for help with it and I hope I receive some.

I'm sure you mean well but when you try and organise your first tournament to help out the community and stick your hand out there I am sure you wouldn't enjoy it when you have a constant negative attitude, especially from someone who labels themselves as someone dedicated to the BSG scene... Clearly you would have the most power and contacts to help set this up so what was stopping anyone from PMing the respective captains on the night and at least trying to organise a few games and then shooting me the results via PM...

No information? I am not sure where I left any team with 'absolutely no information' I tried my best to let the teams know what to do, who had sent their line ups etc, and all the captains names I had posted were correct so what was stopping anyone taking some initiative...

This is going to sound really harsh, but i have been polite up until this point, and having two players pull out of my team and the others still tossing up whether or not to play is where i'm going to have to pull out my nasty stick.

If you need help, ASK.

It isn't our responsibility as captains to organise your tournament. It's our responsibility to have our teams organised. I've had my team organised on both sundays that have just gone, only to find out that the team we were supposed to be playing was playing someone else, and that the other team that we could have played weren't online because they had no idea what was going on.

AsylumofSouls, myself and a couple of the other captains have a history in organising and running competitions. You have a crapload of experienced admins captaining teams, yet don't ask for help, so don't expect us (when some of us are super busy as well), to "take the initiative" and do your job for you. Our players look to us for the information, and when we can't provide it, it makes us look stupid. I don't like looking stupid. We have reputations as decent admins to preserve, and if things don't get better in the next week i'm pulling WA out of this.

I had supanova to go to in week 1 just like you did this week just gone past, yet i still managed to have my team organised and online ready to play. I worked a full time job, studied a degree, and still managed to be the community link for ESL when the SEA division was running a couple of months back. Don't whine about not having enough time, but don't ask for help.


Do your job and ask for help if things get tough, or handball it to someone who can.

/rant

Quick Comments

AsylumofSouls:

ty

[deL]

Nice work ACTAS

[FSBenAD]

No one is trying to diminish the work you are doing, however there has been a lot of confusion amongst the teams and players.

These threads are where we as captains refer back to and refer our players to, to know whats going on and if they are wrong its really hard for us to get the correct information at a moments notice. And once the official information is incorrect, you have mis-information spreading fast throughout the players and captains.

It leaves us as captains in a hard spot, because its already not easy to get a group of people together who aren't in the same teams/clans/circles, but then we also have to start making guesses and admin calls. Especially when we had no admin present for the first round.

I know you've said you were busy, hey that happens and I know you are doing this out of your own time, but so are the captains. I definitely think we should look at getting someone to help admin this with you, having it all in one persons hands is

a) a lot of work
b) means that if you can't make a night, or get busy, no ones effectively there for quick responses.

And the longer we have to wait to get answers to questions, the harder it is for us to pick a team or to get games happening.

I really hope you dont take this all the wrong way, we all wants this to be a success and we all really appreciate the effort you have put in. But the overall opinion Ive heard so far is that people are really confused and that will quickly lead to a lack of interest because its "too hard". And that would be a shame after all the lead up work.

[MezjE]

Okay, I reached out for help and sorry for the disorganisation.

Teams Page is now accurate and contains no wrong information but still requires some team lists (which I have requested help for).

I also requested for the Interest and Overview threads to be locked to stop confusion given I think there is misleading information within them.

Let's have a fresh start for Round 2, if you have any queries regarding the Round 2 post PM me or comment in the thread and I'll get back to it ASAP.

Cheers guys.