[AsGNabi]

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

I think the issue isn't so much the students - but he cheated out other legitimate Terran coaches.. HuT or iaguz could have been able to provide the service - that they have legitimately obtained the ability to give.

I think people are starting to lose perspective on this..

Students have the option to go wherever they want. Chobo got his title to coach just like anyone else did. This was way before what has recently happened. If they didn't like his coaching, they could go to someone else. If he didn't care about his students, he would have offered nothing.

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	deL:	thanks for you unbiased opinion you nosty bitch
	RicocheT:	^ No need for that mate
	Sedz:	Yeah cmon, no need for personal insults. :/
	Kepler:	Grow the **** up deL.
	CHoBo(kice):	not cool at all deL
	breadfan:	Timeframe is definitely a little hazy though, everyone seems to hold a different idea

[Nerphed]

Ok but, after Chobo's post just now, we know know he's holding accounts in GM, I'm a diamond Terran on NA and if I had someone power me up to GM I would lose the placement very quickly I'm sure, so there's LOTS of ways of knowing he's more than close to GM skill level

[x5_Bard]

And if he cared about his students it would have been for free.

[iM SundeR]

Originally Posted by AsGNabi

I think people are starting to lose perspective on this..

Students have the option to go wherever they want. Chobo got his title to coach just like anyone else did. This was way before what has recently happened. If they didn't like his coaching, they could go to someone else. If he didn't care about his students, he would have offered nothing.

Wooooahh, what? Didn't ChoBo originally get appointed to his TGM coaching position through a sick ladder record that he didn't even get himself?

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by CHoBo(kice)

Hello chad I'm still here and still playing under Chobo. will not be disclosing other accounts as they are for paying customers

You mean Hyun and Naama paid YOU to play on your account?..


nirvAnA needs to know these accounts so your tournament ban can apply to them.. Kice is banned from tournaments, not just CHobo.. Your a liar and a cheat, plus your arrogance is shocking. for someone that cheated to gain an ego, I would have thought it would be deflated when you were caught.

Either way, I don't think you will have any more 'paying customers' you certainly don't deserve any.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by AsGNabi

Chobo got his title to coach just like anyone else did.

You mean he cheated and had someone else play on his account...? pretty sure iaguz earnt his coaching title himself..
And sure - you can say he did it himself.. but I wouldn't believe a liar like him - why would he cheat after being decent enough to be a GM coach?.. or is he just not good enough..?

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by Nerphed

Hmm see again I see that as being biased because he cheated in a tournament, you assume he can't coach and therefore took students off them, I personally didn't even look to HuT or iaguz, so he definantly didn't take me from anyone. I guess I'm just more forgiving than you, I don't know but It really seems like you're out to get this guy due to a personal vendetta or something. Same with Peleus.. I don't know I don't really spend enough time in the forums or on the channels to really understand if that's the case, and don't take offense, I'm not making any accusations, just merely observations.

-edit- added last sentence instead of making another post.

No personal vendetta in the sense I don't even know Chobo.

On the flip side, I absolutely despise cheaters, and so many have shown again and again that they cannot be trusted and continue to lie and cheat in the future. This is a game where people are making a living off it, many people like Pig etc rely on income from coaching and tourny winnings. Cheating literally threatens their livelihood and I find it disgusting.

As a side note, I hate all cheaters equally, so I also despise anyone on that confirmed hacker thread list, and wish they would get all life bans and be totally removed from the community. If you're shown as a hacker you don't have any care for the community so why should you have a chance at being a part of it.

I had a look in my sc2gears for something and realised that over the last 314 days I've played 1129 hours ingame. That's 14% of my hours dedicated to try and get better at starcraft 2. Sad for some people but it's what I enjoy / how I relax. I can't imagine how much effort people like Mafia, Pig, Tgun, Iaguz, etc etc put in to get better at this game. Imagine all that being nullified by some dick going and downloading some hacks and taking prize money off you. Wouldn't you be furious too?

[AsGNabi]

Originally Posted by SundeR

Wooooahh, what? Didn't ChoBo originally get appointed to his TGM coaching position through a sick ladder record that he didn't even get himself?

No. Please don't just make assumptions.

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	neKo:	what then? tell us if you know.
	iM SundeR:	no assumption, its true

[x5.Revenant]

Originally Posted by CHoBo(kice)

Hello chad I'm still here and still playing under Chobo. will not be disclosing other accounts as they are for paying customers

It is quite obvious that the majority(if not whole) community does not want you(a messed up person ethically) to be here. Why are you still posting as if nothing happened?

Edit:

[Nerphed]

Originally Posted by Peleus

No personal vendetta in the sense I don't even know Chobo.

On the flip side, I absolutely despise cheaters, and so many have shown again and again that they cannot be trusted and continue to lie and cheat in the future. This is a game where people are making a living off it, many people like Pig etc rely on income from coaching and tourny winnings. Cheating literally threatens their livelihood and I find it disgusting.

As a side note, I hate all cheaters equally, so I also despise anyone on that confirmed hacker thread list, and wish they would get all life bans and be totally removed from the community. If you're shown as a hacker you don't have any care for the community so why should you have a chance at being a part of it.

I had a look in my sc2gears for something and realised that over the last 314 days I've played 1129 hours ingame. That's 14% of my hours dedicated to try and get better at starcraft 2. Sad for some people but it's what I enjoy / how I relax. I can't imagine how much effort people like Mafia, Pig, Tgun, Iaguz, etc etc put in to get better at this game. Imagine all that being nullified by some dick going and downloading some hacks and taking prize money off you. Wouldn't you be furious too?

Sure, but Chobo didn't/doesn't hack?

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syfChadMann:

he did cheat tho.. and its just as bad.

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by Nerphed

Sure, but Chobo didn't/doesn't hack?

cheater =! hacker

[Ripped]

Originally Posted by Revenant

It is quite obvious that the majority(if not whole) community does not want you(a messed up person ethically) to be here. Why are you still posting as if nothing happened?

^^, the punishment is unjust for the act committed. Imo to cheat in a friendly tournament on sc2sea should act in a life ban from online events in association with sc2sea, although should still be able to attend Lan events past a certain period of time. Disgusting.

Edit: Yes, i will let you win Bard. Also, how is he still able to post on the forums :l ?

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by Nerphed

Sure, but Chobo didn't/doesn't hack?

Cheater / Hacker, same principle applies for both.

[x5_Bard]

Imo to cheat in a friendly tournament on sc2sea should act in a life ban from online events in association with sc2sea

Since the masters cup is a friendly tournament, would you guys mind just letting me win the next one?

Would be really nice

[iM MaFia]

Originally Posted by AsGNabi

I think people are starting to lose perspective on this..

Students have the option to go wherever they want. Chobo got his title to coach just like anyone else did. This was way before what has recently happened. If they didn't like his coaching, they could go to someone else. If he didn't care about his students, he would have offered nothing.

good analogy, but you're missing the point,

im sure students would have chosen to go to HuT or iaguz if they knew chobo wasn't even grandmaster

how did chobo get his title like anyone else did? he had a smurf play his account

kayhan was a good example, he probably realised that chobos coaching did not live upto his expectations so he went to jazbas a zerg player and got coaching from him and paid him in full.

if he cared about his students he wouldn't of tried to cover up the fact that he wasn't who he was when listed as a coach and chased up players like kayhan because he wouldnt pay when he didnt get what he was looking for

[Nerphed]

I wont argue that cheaters arent better or worse than hackers or anything of the sort, I just feel that people are taking the opportunity to be incredibly invasive and destructive, he took a chance, did something wrong, got caught and is honoring the punishment, keep your thoughts and ideas for the tournament ban, don't start demanding he pay back coaching money, christ. If the customers at my work started telling me I had to pay back all of my money I earned because I did something wrong even though throughout the months of earning that money I earned it in a legitimate fashion, I'd tell them to get ******, the fact Chobo offered to refund me is but admirable but stupid, I think he really shouldn't bow down so far to everybody.
Damn that was a long post o.0

-edit- Oops, I thought there was a language filter in place, fixed that n.n

[SanG]

In ladder, hacking is worse than smurfing.
In a tournament smurfing is worse than hacking
IMO

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	deL:	hard to distinguish, both are just "cheating"
	RicocheT:	Both are bad bro

[RicocheT]

Can see both sides of the argument.
I can only say one thing, which is kinda off-topic but w.e

As a Terran, why wouldn't you go to Iaguz for coaching?
Dat BEARD!!!

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nirvAnA:

iaguz is taking a break from coaching!

[AsGNabi]

Originally Posted by iM Mafia

good analogy, but you're missing the point,

im sure students would have chosen to go to HuT or iaguz if they knew chobo wasn't even grandmaster

how did chobo get his title like anyone else did? he had a smurf play his account

kayhan was a good example, he probably realised that chobos coaching did not live upto his expectations so he went to jazbas a zerg player and got coaching from him and paid him in full.

if he cared about his students he wouldn't of tried to cover up the fact that he wasn't who he was when listed as a coach and chased up players like kayhan because he wouldnt pay when he didnt get what he was looking for

Kice was GM. Even when I played with him we were masters 2v2. This smurfing incident has only occurred recently, and he was coaching since last year. If he wasn't capable of coaching then why would his students continue to pay for more lessons? Wouldn't they realize something is a little off when his techniques weren't up to standard..

In Kayhan's case, fair enough if he didn't like the coaching.. but just like anything in life even if you don't like something that you are/have obliged to pay for, you shouldn't simply get it for free..

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	Nerphed:
	TAavanar:	yeah, masters 2v2= masters 1v1
	nirvAnA:	To clarify, he only became a TGM coach in Jan, and pretty sure it because of SeoHyeon's skill
	EveMassacrisM:	LOL@Masters 2v2.
	deL:	I am masters 2v2 TGM coach plz?
	CHoBo(kice):	Masters 2v2 while Bronze 1v1. You show them :D
	NvRossi:	you are absolutely clueless

[iM SundeR]

Nabi - the smurfing incident didn't just occur 'recently', it's been going on for a long long time - this is proven in confessions by both parties. You don't understand that simply being in Grandmaster League is not enough to offer the high level, quality coaching that SC2SEA wants to give to people in The Grandmaster Manual scheme.

[CHoBo(kice)]

Kayhan actually came back and wanted more lessons but would still not pay me for first lessons??? He said would pay at end for all this seemed fishy