[nirvAnA]

in before light says

"look at me im a kr and post in broken English everyone thinks its funny and i get mass up rep even after smurfing and deceiving everyone!"

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	crAzerk:	money
	EveJeonSa:
	nGenLight:	**** u slut.

[FaMe]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

in before light says

"look at me im a kr and post in broken English everyone thinks its funny and i get mass up rep even after smurfing and deceiving everyone!"

Technically he wasn't the one deceiving everyone. Yes, he still did a bad thing but at least he had the balls to come and apologise to what is essentially the SEA community.

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	Cyanide:	apologising after everything laid bare doesn't take balls.
	breadfan:	I would argue facing the community who know what you did to apologise does take some balls.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by paragonFaMe

Technically he wasn't the one deceiving everyone. Yes, he still did a bad thing but at least he had the balls to come and apologise to what is essentially the SEA community.

He did much more than apologize. He's definitely learnt his lesson, and anyone who continues to pursue this is.. well, how should I put this tactfully..

A giant cockmunch.

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	mGGAequitas:	you come up with such colourful phrases :)
	FaDeHellfyre:	does apologising change the fact that he was involved in cheating?
	DM.MCZ.Polaris:
	breadfan:	Exactly how giant are we talking here?

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by paragonFaMe

Technically he wasn't the one deceiving everyone. Yes, he still did a bad thing but at least he had the balls to come and apologise to what is essentially the SEA community.

OMFG ARE YOU SERIOUS!?

He is every single bit to blame as Chobo is. Every single person that was knocked out of a tourny because of this guy was robbed of chances to perform, opportunities at prize money, and opportunities to qualify for different things.

I don't think I can ever understand this communities feelings towards the word "sorry" mitigating and changing so much damage that was caused.

Edit: I'm ok with tgun thinking I'm a giant cockmunch because imo "sorry" doesn't cut it.

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	FaDeHellfyre:	agree. saying sorry is good, but doesn't change anything. it's still cheating
	iM tgun:	+Rep for actually willing to give your own opinion.
	RicocheT:	Just cos ur sorry, doesn't make it right
	nirvAnA:	he knocked both glade and ninja out in seasl

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Peleus

OMFG ARE YOU SERIOUS!?

He is every single bit to blame as Chobo is. Every single person that was knocked out of a tourny because of this guy was robbed of chances to perform, opportunities at prize money, and opportunities to qualify for different things.

I don't think I can ever understand this communities feelings towards the word "sorry" mitigating and changing so much damage that was caused.

Edit: I'm ok with tgun thinking I'm a giant cockmunch because imo "sorry" doesn't cut it.

He didn't understand the magnitude of what he was doing.

Do you actually understand what he was ******* saying when we logged on (myself, rossi, jaz, rev) to talk to him?

He wanted to quit progaming because of this. Legit quit progaming, just because of this.

Are you ******* joking? He clearly didn't understand the consequences, and if you've seen the chatlogs I've been sent, you'd see that he was just way over his head. The second Rossi approached him, he instantly started trying to atone for what he did + didn't lie at all. The second he was questioned, he came clean.

You're allowed to have your own opinion, and that's fine -- that's something I respect. But if you guys go out of your way to pursue this more by contacting his team, I will be the first one to stand up and defend him, because it's very bloody obvious that he didn't know what he was doing was as bad as it is.

I'd support a ban (on him) for sc2sea tournaments, nothing more.

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	FaDeHellfyre:	punishment sounds reasonable
	HuT:	this guy gets it
	MooZfY:
	DM.MCZ.Polaris:
	breadfan:

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by tgun

He didn't understand the magnitude of what he was doing.

Do you actually understand what he was ******* saying when we logged on (myself, rossi, jaz, rev) to talk to him?

He wanted to quit progaming because of this. Legit quit progaming, just because of this.

Are you ******* joking? He clearly didn't understand the consequences, and if you've seen the chatlogs I've been sent, you'd see that he was just way over his head. The second Rossi approached him, he instantly started trying to atone for what he did + didn't lie at all. The second he was questioned, he came clean.

Firstly, obvioulsy I can't appreciate any 'mitigating' factors that may of occurred, or perhaps the appreciation by him for what he has done through chats with you, rossi etc considering I wasn't part of the conversation, my opinions are based off the info I have available to me.

Originally Posted by tgun

You're allowed to have your own opinion, and that's fine -- that's something I respect. But if you guys go out of your way to pursue this more by contacting his team, I will be the first one to stand up and defend him, because it's very bloody obvious that he didn't know what he was doing was as bad as it is.

I'd support a ban (on him) for sc2sea tournaments, nothing more.

Do I want to ruin his progaming career and force him to retire over it? No, although it's closer than you might suspect (probably feel different tomorrow). I absolutely despise cheaters, imagine your feelings for them tgun and times that by 2. If I wanted to ruin his career I'd post this to TL, clearly I haven't.

I was actually writing my reply when you posted, and my "are you serious" was more a direct response to being told that he "didn't deceive anyone". When it happened to be posted after yours I'm sure "Are you serious" could be seen as disagreeing you as well when I didn't even know you had posted.

Point being I'd like to see some punishment, such as lifetime bans from anything sc2sea ever runs again. Removal from team / retiring? Undecided / leaning towards probably not.

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Zealo:

pretty much exactly how i feel

[FaMe]

Originally Posted by Peleus

OMFG ARE YOU SERIOUS!?

He is every single bit to blame as Chobo is. Every single person that was knocked out of a tourny because of this guy was robbed of chances to perform, opportunities at prize money, and opportunities to qualify for different things.

I don't think I can ever understand this communities feelings towards the word "sorry" mitigating and changing so much damage that was caused.

Edit: I'm ok with tgun thinking I'm a giant cockmunch because imo "sorry" doesn't cut it.

Yes, very serious. I never actually said that his apology should/would change anything, and I agree with you that it sucks for the people who were knocked out and missed out on opportunities, but he never really had to come to this community and apologise, therefore it's certainly a nice thing for him to do.
And I don't think he is EVERY bit to blame as Chobo is. We have no idea of what Chobo was telling him, ie. things to write in to chat, channels to join, or whether he even knew himself what was going on (obviously from what he's said he had some idea, but did he know what the matches were actually for? doubtful)