[Kepler]

On the contrary, Grim. I'm not going to defend Kice for this, he's on his own.

I trusted that his play was his own, and if this turns out to not be true then that trust was betrayed. The more problematic ramifications are that this will tarnish our clan's reputation, even if Kice is not a representative sample of all of us it will still paint us in a damaging light when people run into us on ladder.

Originally Posted by MrToast

I think people should at LEAST wait for a retort from Chobo before people start claiming this to be 'concrete proof. Especially with the amount of times Rossi has come with some 'infallible truth' only to have it blow up in his face

Also didn't Nirvana mention in the thread this is meant to be in that he asked chobo to get on on skype and he got on right away and answered a personal question IN GAME while he was playing nirvana at a top GM level?

This is true, but I'm confused as to how there isn't an element of truth to Rossi's claim in this case. The facebook link I provided is also more evidence.

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	Nadir:	I don't want AsG to denote shadiness
	TABiggun:	I don't think it's that bad for your clan, there was no way for you to know unless you did tons of analysis.

[RicocheT]

Originally Posted by Kepler

The more problematic ramifications are that this will tarnish our clan's reputation, even if Kice is not a representative sample of all of us it will still paint us in a damaging light when people run into us on ladder.

I disagree mate. Just because one apple is bad (In our case Evets), doesn't mean your reputation is lost. I'm sure SPR can say the same with that dude who hacked, Meany or something. Both of our clans are still standing, going strong, both clans were vocal when both of our members were accused of hacking (I certainly as hell was vocal). However, most people are far more mature and smart enough to realize just because there was a bad apple, doesn't apply to the entire clan. This is Starcraft 2 SEA, not call of duty with preb 12 year olds.

Addressing the point of evidence, I think the cat is out of the bag. He's guilty in my books. SC2gears OP.

[Kepler]

Originally Posted by FaDeUndoNe

I disagree mate. Just because one apple is bad (In our case Evets), doesn't mean your reputation is lost. I'm sure SPR can say the same with that dude who hacked, Meany or something. Both of our clans are still standing, going strong, both clans were vocal when both of our members were accused of hacking (I certainly as hell was vocal). However, most people are far more mature and smart enough to realize just because there was a bad apple, doesn't apply to the entire clan. This is Starcraft 2 SEA, not call of duty with preb 12 year olds.

Addressing the point of evidence, I think the cat is out of the bag. He's guilty in my books. SC2gears OP.

Given the amount of vitriol that resulted from this in comparison to other incidents, it did have me worried. Obviously this community is much more forgiving than a shithole like /r/Starcraft, but people have a funny way of associating a whole group of people because of the actions of an individual.

I do agree that we're likely not to have any repercussions to AsG specifically.

[Maynarde]

Originally Posted by Kepler

Given the amount of vitriol that resulted from this in comparison to other incidents, it did have me worried. Obviously this community is much more forgiving than a shithole like /r/Starcraft, but people have a funny way of associating a whole group of people because of the actions of an individual.

I do agree that we're likely not to have any repercussions to AsG specifically.

I can vouch that FaDe was not affected at all by the EvetS scandal. EvetS was / is a buddy of mine very friendly guy (first person I cast with) and a lot of people were hurt by the realization when he admitted to it, but no one blamed the clan. Enough water has gone under the bridge for him to even come along and provide evidence in the hacker thread and not feel threatened by our community which of course will never lash out at someone for legitimately helping.

FaDe is still a very close knit and strong pillar of SEA. As long as the leadership and members remain as high calibur as you are on this forum, and continue to participate in SEA tournaments and events AsG will continue to be as well.

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	Kepler:	I'm glad to see the optimism, I'm not really used to online communities being so welcoming.
	RicocheT:	Too awesome, too sexy...too hairy?
	TAEdgE:

[RicocheT]

Originally Posted by Kepler

Given the amount of vitriol that resulted from this in comparison to other incidents, it did have me worried. Obviously this community is much more forgiving than a shithole like /r/Starcraft, but people have a funny way of associating a whole group of people because of the actions of an individual.

It's due to it being a tournament setting. No one wants a tournament tarnished by hackers/smurfers/etc. It wasn't an attack on Chobo or anything, but rather ensuring that the Masters Cup and other tournaments run by sc2sea are kept clean and hacker free.

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	Kepler:	I agree, the spam when he logged in on SC2 and into his SC2SEA inbox was what concerned me.
	syfChadMann:	I think he is talking about how everyone thinks TA are BM?.. which they aren't.. ;)