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Summary of Events

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1) Rossi's initial post
Mafia vs Chobo - "Pullback of the Century" - a 'normal' player would have gone ahead with the all-in despite seeing the 2 spines 2 queens, having committed to that extent. Chobo's defence:

Originally Posted by AsGChoBo

I did poke up the ramp, while I could win, I could also lose. My decision to pull back because I wanted to make an entertaining game, to show I can go from a all in, scv train back to my base and out macro to take the win.

2) Targa's analysis points out various 'sus' actions apart from the pullback (Mafia explains the logic behind the pullback), which various other players have refuted (MrToast's counter-analysis), UHF's counter-analysis, Nadir'scounter- video analysis of the pullback, Sedz's counter-analysis.

3) Rossi and Mafia points out various suspicious activity, including the "Unorthodox Viking Pathing"(another post. Iaguz voices his doubts about some of Rossi's points (which are disagreed upon by Mafia), but does concede some suspicious points, including the 'Pullback of the Century'.
Further discussion about this, + the viking pathing: Iaguz, Iaguz again about Viking path, UHF makes a post about this later on, read point 12)

Originally Posted by xgKingiaguz

He seems to be one of those goody/elfi/SjoW types who does like 10,000 things like a retard but 5,000 weird but incredibly correct things and manages to win games.

Rossi agrees that the TvTs aren't THAT dubious, but the main bone to pick were the TvZs. (Rossi later complains that noone was addressing the screen lock/AFKs in the TvTs, but this IS addressed in point 4 below. )

4) TABiggun points out a 'camera lock' tell which seems to be present in Chobo's games. He also points out the 2 main suspicious points

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Quote 1:

"Chobo looks into the main and then just randomly pauses for a moment with no actions at 5:30 as a baneling nest is being constructed and I also noted this was happening throughout many of the replays; a random pause with no actions. In sc2gears i looked throughout that time at his actions and there was no right click with his scvs on the mineral patches or anything, just a random look into the main and then natural."

Quote 2:

"Also, if you watch all of Chobo's TvZs he plays completely blind the whole game whenever the zerg goes infestors. Yet on the shakuras game when Mafia was morphing a greater spire he scans both the main and the natural. And on the Ohana game he also scans Mafia's main when he is building a spire. In all other games there were no scans and no scouting, and in all these games the zerg went infestors."

If you can clear up these two situations then it would clear up a lot of things.

Chobo's response was that he had hay fever and was sneezing, with regards to the random pause with no action.

With regards to Quote 2, I asked him about it on Skype:

Playing against zerg, I believe it is hard for zerg to play muta against me because of my dominent style in mech style
[2:52:00 PM] Krste Kovaceski: so im not really scared anyone will pull it against me because i used a gas first style for so long
[2:52:08 PM] Krste Kovaceski: that involved early aggression into mass thor play
[2:52:19 PM] Krste Kovaceski: and with the current trend
[2:52:36 PM] Krste Kovaceski: you can assume festors are much more common composition in the current meta game

And for the scan timings, it was covered somewhere in this thread that the Spire/Greater Spire scan timings were 'standard', can't remember where but I'm sure someone mentioned it.

5) Rossi brings out some SC2Gears data, claiming Chobo had weird periods of AFK /screenlocks
http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=557

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Biggun claims some 'sus' selecting of buildings he doesn't have

Originally Posted by Biggun

Let me give an example. I believe that chobo clicked on Peleus' evo chambers. On sc2gears there is a command:
9:24 AsGCHoBo Select Engineering Bay (90384), Deselect all
9:24 AsGCHoBo Upgrade Terran Infantry Armor 1

This point is refuted by paperclip pointing out the times don't align. A later, more accurate post of sc2gears with timings aligned show nothing sus about the game actions.

Chobo's explanation was that he tabbed to talk to his gf on Facebook.

6) nirvAnA evaluates a Chobo replay against Peleus, finds nothing too 'sus', besides "his armies move very fearlessly like he always knows when its safe to move out and engage".
Many people have used this as a point against Chobo, claiming decision-making is too good for his level of macro/micro.

7) Rossi does a stream analysis of the replays with commentary, which is basically a video/voice version of what he has typed earlier and more.

8) Mafia posts video analysis of Chobo vs Ender's game. delete disagrees with his analysis, UHF as well.
Chobo himself offers his own defence of this game.

9) FadeevetS points out how some hacks work. mentioning that the 'screen lock' feature of hacks is toggleable.

10) Richard confirms Chobo = Yamama
Chobo's explanation for this.

11) Chadmann points out potential bot-farming by Chobo. Chobo denies it.

12 UHF posts an analysis of the sus Viking flight paths, and notices a pattern. Pretty pics ahead.
Chad argues that the pathing is in fact different, Rossi questions the 'initial flight paths'.
UHF responds to these rebuttals with an answer of his own.

13) Rossi brings in a new analysis of a suspicious Chobo vs Strafe game. Also raises another suspicious game.

14) Nirvana brings up 2 games of tgun vs Chobo for analysis, Flaunt and Kepler say no maphack for these games.

15) tgun adds a video analysis of several Chobo replays, addressing the Viking pathing issue, a game of his own, and some other points.

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You Tube

You Tube

16) Zealo addresses many comments/analyses previously made, pointing out 'flawed logic' and 'emotional responses'. Well worth reading, provided you're not still emotional.

17) UHF sums it up well in this post.

18) Zealo makes a point that has been mentioned before, but noone actually demonstrated it. Here it is. Basically, if you really want, you can take any replay of a top, legit player and twist out something 'potentially incriminating'.

The Verdict

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We will be moving Chobo onto the 'Suspected Maphackers' list, but NOT into the 'Confirmed Maphackers'. He will be removed from the list after a period of time if he shows that he does have the skill demonstrated in the 'sus' games, or moved to 'Confirmed' if any definitive evidence (similar to those used for previous cases of Confirmed Maphackers) is submitted.

Read the following FAQ before posting.

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1) I have definitive proof of him maphacking!! How do I lynch him?
No, you probably don't. 'Definitive proof' would include things like multiple blatant glances into fog, or constant repositioning of army to prepare for unseen opponent with no real explanation. What you have is probably something 'suspicious', which is not sufficient.

2) But but but.... his actions in this replay and that replay is sus! 100% hacking!
As long as his actions can be explained via a reasonable explanation, it already shows that it's not a 100% hacking situation and is just suspicious. Such things can be discussed back and forth as already done in this thread, so 'discussion' is futile.

[crAzerk]

Summary of Events

From the thread there were 3 main issues of Chobo's play that led to allegations of him maphacking.

Viking Paths

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Rossi's initial post

1. Rossi and Mafia points out various 'suspicious' activity, including the "Unorthodox Viking Pathing"(another post. Iaguz voices his doubts about some of Rossi's points (which are disagreed upon by Mafia) but does concede some suspicious points, including the 'Pullback of the Century'.
2. Further discussion about this, + the viking pathing: Iaguz, Iaguz again about Viking path
3. UHF posts an analysis of the sus Viking flight paths, and notices a consistent pattern instead, and disagrees that it is suspicious. Pretty pics ahead.
   Chad argues that the pathing is in fact different, Rossi questions the 'initial flight paths'.
   UHF responds to these rebuttals with an answer of his own.
4. Tgun examines the viking flight paths in his video which shows Chobo's extensive flight paths in his games with him way back in January, where he completely misses Overlords along the way.
   
   You Tube

   You Tube

Camera Locks / AFKness

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1)TABiggun points out a 'camera lock' tell which seems to be present in Chobo's games

"Chobo looks into the main and then just randomly pauses for a moment with no actions at 5:30 as a baneling nest is being constructed and I also noted this was happening throughout many of the replays; a random pause with no actions. In sc2gears i looked throughout that time at his actions and there was no right click with his scvs on the mineral patches or anything, just a random look into the main and then natural."

Chobo claims he was sneezing for this pause

2)Rossi brings out some SC2Gears data, claiming Chobo had weird periods of AFK /screenlocks
http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=557

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Biggun claims some 'sus' selecting of buildings he doesn't have

Originally Posted by Biggun

Let me give an example. I believe that chobo clicked on Peleus' evo chambers. On sc2gears there is a command:
9:24 AsGCHoBo Select Engineering Bay (90384), Deselect all
9:24 AsGCHoBo Upgrade Terran Infantry Armor 1

This point is refuted by paperclip pointing out the times don't align. A later, more accurate post of sc2gears with timings aligned show nothing sus about the game actions.

Chobo's explanation was that he tabbed to talk to his gf on Facebook.

3)FadeevetS points out how some hacks work. mentioning that the 'screen lock' feature of hacks is toggleable.

4) tgun adds a video analysis of several Chobo replays, including explaining that people are completely misunderstanding camera locking. and the camera lock evident in the spades case which incriminated him, was completely abseent from any of chobo's games

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You Tube

You Tube

Pullback of the Century

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Targa's analysis points out various 'sus' actions apart from the pullback (Mafia explains the logic behind the pullback), which various other players have refuted (MrToast's counter-analysis), UHF's counter-analysis, Nadir'scounter- video analysis of the pullback, Sedz's counter-analysis.

Miscalleneous

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1)

Originally Posted by Biggun

"Also, if you watch all of Chobo's TvZs he plays completely blind the whole game whenever the zerg goes infestors. Yet on the shakuras game when Mafia was morphing a greater spire he scans both the main and the natural. And on the Ohana game he also scans Mafia's main when he is building a spire. In all other games there were no scans and no scouting, and in all these games the zerg went infestors.".

Chobo's response:

Playing against zerg, I believe it is hard for zerg to play muta against me because of my dominent style in mech style
[2:52:00 PM] Krste Kovaceski: so im not really scared anyone will pull it against me because i used a gas first style for so long
[2:52:08 PM] Krste Kovaceski: that involved early aggression into mass thor play
[2:52:19 PM] Krste Kovaceski: and with the current trend
[2:52:36 PM] Krste Kovaceski: you can assume festors are much more common composition in the current meta game

And for the scan timings, it was covered somewhere in this thread that the Spire/Greater Spire scan timings were 'standard', can't remember where but I'm sure someone mentioned it.

2) nirvAnA evaluates a Chobo replay against Peleus, finds nothing too 'sus', besides "his armies move very fearlessly like he always knows when its safe to move out and engage".
Many people have used this as a point against Chobo, claiming decision-making is too good for his level of macro/micro.

3)Rossi does a stream analysis of the replays with commentary, which is basically a video/voice version of what he has typed earlier and more.

4)Mafia posts video analysis of Chobo vs Ender's game. delete disagrees with his analysis, UHF as well.
Chobo himself offers his own defence of this game.

5)Richard confirms Chobo = Yamama
Chobo's explanation for this.[/b]

6) Chadmann points out potential bot-farming by Chobo. Chobo denies it.

7) Rossi brings in a new analysis of a suspicious Chobo vs Strafe game. Also raises another suspicious game.

8) Nirvana brings up 2 games of tgun vs Chobo for analysis, Flaunt and Kepler say no maphack for these games.

9) Zealo addresses many comments/analyses previously made, pointing out 'flawed logic' and 'emotional responses'. Well worth reading, provided you're not still emotional.

10) UHF sums it up well in this post.

The admins are still in discussion as to how to proceed. We thank you for your patience!