[Sedz]

Just also noticed that on the Shakuras game, there was a huge period of time where CHobo, if he was map hacking, would be able to take advantage of the huge period of time after he kills a lot of Mafia's lings, where Mafia just drones up with 4 lings and 2 spines, he has 14 marines, and can easily move out to stop droning and force units and apply pressure. But the typical terran thinking in this case, when you're stuck in your base, is that you have nfi what's out there and don't want to move out and just sit behind your wall, and that's what CHobo does.

[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by Sedz

Just also noticed that on the Shakuras game, there was a huge period of time where CHobo, if he was map hacking, would be able to take advantage of the huge period of time after he kills a lot of Mafia's lings, where Mafia just drones up with 4 lings and 2 spines, he has 14 marines, and can easily move out to stop droning and force units and apply pressure. But the typical terran thinking in this case, when you're stuck in your base, is that you have nfi what's out there and don't want to move out and just sit behind your wall, and that's what CHobo does.

Look at chobo's view from 5:20 to 6 min. There is a random look at the main at 5:30 then also his random pull back when seeing 2 queens and 2 spines.

[Sedz]

Originally Posted by TABiggun

Look at chobo's view from 5:20 to 6 min. There is a random look at the main at 5:30 then also his random pull back when seeing 2 queens and 2 spines.

This is long after this. I explained my reasoning to this before.

Needs clarification, but when he looks into the main at 5:30, the camera stops for a brief period of time onto the second gas, now looking at that position, he is barely able to see the baneling nest which is in the top right part of the screen, just enough time to click on it, but surely the hack would centre directly onto the nest or he would click closer to it? Then he flicks down to the natural VERY briefly to set a rally point.

Also, the look at the natural happens BEFORE he pulls scv, surely if he was hacking he'd see the spines and queens, and choose to not bring scv's but pressure with marines instead?

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TABiggun:

I dont think mafia was making lings when he pulled the SCVs

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by Sedz

This is long after this. I explained my reasoning to this before.

Needs clarification, but when he looks into the main at 5:30, the camera stops for a brief period of time onto the second gas, now looking at that position, he is barely able to see the baneling nest which is in the top right part of the screen, just enough time to click on it, but surely the hack would centre directly onto the nest or he would click closer to it? Then he flicks down to the natural VERY briefly to set a rally point.

Also, the look at the natural happens BEFORE he pulls scv, surely if he was hacking he'd see the spines and queens, and choose to not bring scv's but pressure with marines instead?

What do you mean by "the hack" would centre on it? Do you mean "If he was hacking he would centre on it" or do you mean "The hack has some magical properties to detect baneling nests and centre on them"

If it's (a) then perhaps he realised that he didn't have his camera lock on and didn't want to go scrolling around the base. If it was (b) I don't know what to say...

[Sedz]

Originally Posted by Peleus

What do you mean by "the hack" would centre on it? Do you mean "If he was hacking he would centre on it" or do you mean "The hack has some magical properties to detect baneling nests and centre on them"

If it's (a) then perhaps he realised that he didn't have his camera lock on and didn't want to go scrolling around the base. If it was (b) I don't know what to say...

This is what I wanted clarified, what I meant was, I always thought that hacks would alert you and lock onto tech buildings when you scrolled near them.

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Dox:

all it does is remove the fog of war yo!

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by Sedz

This is what I wanted clarified, what I meant was, I always thought that hacks would alert you and lock onto tech buildings when you scrolled near them.

Not to the best of my knowledge (raises several problems i.e. what's a tech building? spawning pool = bane nest = roach warren = any zerg building, it's basically impossible)

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RicocheT:

I failed rep in your other post with the diagram, moved it here :o

[x5.Revenant]

Originally Posted by Sedz

This is long after this. I explained my reasoning to this before.

Needs clarification, but when he looks into the main at 5:30, the camera stops for a brief period of time onto the second gas, now looking at that position, he is barely able to see the baneling nest which is in the top right part of the screen, just enough time to click on it, but surely the hack would centre directly onto the nest or he would click closer to it? Then he flicks down to the natural VERY briefly to set a rally point.

Also, the look at the natural happens BEFORE he pulls scv, surely if he was hacking he'd see the spines and queens, and choose to not bring scv's but pressure with marines instead?

Production tab is part of the hack.

The reason why he pulled halfway and then pulled back was probably because of the ling production(Mafia had ~20lings in production at that time that his SCV train was moving out, and a nest that was completing)