[Dox]

After the ACL Gold Coast event, we reached out to the community for your suggestions with regards to improving the quality and clarity of our commentary. Over the last few weeks, you guys have had the opportunity to hear myself, Doble and Maynarde commentating various times. So we'd like to poll the SEA community to encapsulate your thoughts and see if we've improved in the suggested target areas, and receive further direction as we continue to grow.

Thanks in advance! We look forward to presenting the most enjoyable & highest quality viewing experience in Australia.

[TAminimat]

I usually like all three duo's (maynarde doble/dox doble/dox maynarde) but today was a tad boring, idk, might just be cuz I was already bored or the games were a tad slow but yea. You are all getting better and better and like I said I usually like all of you, GC was great.

[Bash]

i like doxnarde the most, you two seem to have more synergy as a bro-couple and Dox's insight into the game really shows through, and Maynarde's dulcet tones just.. sound really good? idk, aside from being good at this, you just really have the voice for it.

Also (Doble in particular, you two havent done it so much) Plug your personal twitter a little less, sponsors im 110% fine with hearing about (Although telling me about the sponsor a little as well as their name would be nice) , but hearing"you can follow me at ______ and you can follow this guy at ______" every 30 minutes is a little much in my opinion.


Other than that all seems to have improved alot, you guys are getting pretty damn good at this ^_^

Quick Comments

Pandan:

+1 to hearing a bit about the sponsor's services and/or products, in a relevant context :)

[Maynarde]

Go hard! Don't be gentle. I want to improve

[iM yang]

I think Maynarde needs to be less manly, he makes me feel insecure about my own masculinity and therefore I think he should be made to wear a pretty dress while casting.

Quick Comments

	Maynarde:	Any excuse to wear a frilly number and feel pretty
	Asrathiel:	A purple one, with butterflies....
	Bash:	floral dress. lacy undergarments ;)
	NOM:	poor yang
	syfCabracan:	Atleast he doesn't make you feel chobo?

[Dox]

Oh yeah, also, if you guys wanna show some love/feedback for Paz (my co-caster today), feel free to leave that here too.

[TAEdgE]

Doble seems to be learning as he goes, today was a bit quieter compared to other casts for both duos... guess it is just a typical lazy Sunday. :P

Nothing I can be overly critical of, it's easy listening and I enjoy it since I have my own opinion of what is going on.

also yeh, shoutout to Paz!

[mGGDrGooSe]

Only listened to the DobNarde today. Both are really good in speaking and not umming, etc. and having the right audio levels, etc. The only, minor, comment I could make is to sound more positive about what players are doing when you dont agree with it. I think it only happened once that I heard something like "I do know if I agree with person X getting a spine here", Something like... "Person X is getting a spine here, so that will mean that any hellion run-bys won't do any damage." That wasn't the exact example, but the only thing I can think of. Basically just coming up with reasons why something might be good whenever possible. Keeping the mood positive. The higher level analysis that can come from a co-caster would be nice as well, but not something I think the DobNarde should try to do. Never heard DoxNarde, will have to keep an ear out.

[Satu]

Originally Posted by SQL.yang

I think Maynarde needs to be less manly, he makes me feel insecure about my own masculinity and therefore I think he should be made to wear a pretty dress while casting.

He gave me a handshake at the last arena lan. I think I felt the same.

Tolerable in small doses indeed lol

[doble]

Thanks for the feedback folks, we will continue to strive to improve

[Stallion]

Ok im not trying to be a douche here this is just how i feel.

The commentry on the ACL events doesnt get me excited unless maynarde is casting I just feel the rest of the time the other casters are more just telling you what is happening. The thing that I really like about Maynarde is he may not have amazing game knowledge but he makes every battle sound life or death. This though generally gets pulled down by just telling us about what we can see. When I watch the big events the main thing that determines for me if a caster is really good to watch is if I'm constantly listening to his commentary because I find it entertaining or amusing.

The other thing I'd like to note is the down times in the game. These bits I feel are the area that most needs improving on as something like gsl with tastosis where we are entertained by either some crazy out of the game goings on or some deep analysis of the game about what can happen and what can't because of certain things this is something I think zepph does better than anyone atm so I'd suggest watching some of her casts. This Maynarde is where i think you need to most improve (play more )

Also camera work on ACL I feel needs improving. When you are the camera man you need to be checking the minimap for actions constantly. As a viewer there is nothing worse than missing the action. I also know Doble is commentating and controlling the camera which is really hard and because of that I feel that although this seems quite harsh on him I still think it has to be noted he does a very good job with how much pressure is on him. Even so the point remains because to me one of the main things I like to view is how are they engaging, are they putting a sacrifical unit out front to take a few tank blows so the main of there army has a bit more hp? little things like that are what as a viewer I love to see.

Also a little suggestion from me for between games would be to have the group scores up rotating through on the overlay so we can get up to date scores without having to leave the page etc. and gives chat something to talk about. That's a tiny thing though.

Sorry If my ideas aren't worded clearly I've been doing this through a boring lecture so had to look away a few times :P. Also I don't mean to come across harsh that's just the things I think can be improved on from what I saw/heard

Quick Comments

	PiG:
	raycey:	Nice. Oh and uh, punctuation is your friend :)
	Zepph:	<3 thanks for the compliment sir :)

[Dox]

Thanks, some good ideas in there! I guess it's also worth mentioning that we'll pretty much always have inFeZa controlling the camera for us for major events, and he's astoundingly good at it.

Quick Comments

Stallion:

cool thats good to hear :)

[ToR.Arnor]

Hey hey

So im gonna try a compliment sandwich for this ^_^

Watching bits a pieces of Doble/Maynarde of the last weekend Ive noticed a big improvement in both casting quality and the chemistry between the casting duo, Maynarde/Dox has a great chemistry and the perfect mix of Play by Play and Game Knowledge.


Things to improve

Dox- I find when duo casting you can be a little monotonous, when watching you stream ladder/ random games this isnt the case, this is a little more noticeable when casting with Maynarde and wasnt so much the case when casting with Paz.

Doble- Try plug your twitter alot less it does it a little annoying, if people want to follow you they will, constantly mentioning it only makes people want to follow you less if you want followers make a game of it tell viewers that yourself and co caster are having a competition the one with the most followers gets treated to a steak dinner by the other person etc Also could just me but try to limit the "Dad Jokes" some are funny but like the twitter plugs too many can be irritating.

Maynarde- not much pretty decent play by play caster, I find at times you seem to talk about players like yang and Edge alot, for people who arent aware of your relation with the players (like viewers outside of SEA) they may see this as bias.

All in All the boys have all come a long way since the first time they casted and Im sure youll continue to improve, GLHF looking forward to meeting you in ACL Sydney

[Dox]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

Dox- I find when duo casting you can be a little monotonous, when watching you stream ladder/ random games this isnt the case, this is a little more noticeable when casting with Maynarde and wasnt so much the case when casting with Paz.

Thanks for this, it's something I've been really worried about for a long time. I always find it difficult to listen to myself in VOD's because i sound like I'm just droning on in the same lifeless tone. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so. And yeah, it really does come down to how my personality meshes with my co-caster. Paz and I have been close friends and housemates for nearly a decade, so we're a lot more relaxed and comfortable together. When I cast with others, I tend to interrupt them and talk over the top of them a LOOOT. Really bothers me that I do this. Also, I was fatigued as hell on this most recent weekend particularly, having slept only like 3 hours the whole time I was in Sydney lol. Cheers for the feedback!

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

Try plug your twitter alot less it does it a little annoying

I must agree with this, but will go further to say it's most likely a nervous compulsion to talk about your twitter in the down time between games or at slow periods in the game. This again, will be solved by deeper game knowledge and better chemistry between the casters. What you should be talking about between games, as Stallion suggested, is the game to come and/or the game passed, with additional humours banter between the casters. During the slow start of the game, you can talk about map specific's and discuss potential strategies that my result due to the particular map (this also helps all the noobies out there that haven't worked out how each of the maps can effect the strategies - this will come from playing more and casting more high level games. So stick at it, you guys will be great! ^_^

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

players like yang and Edge alot, for people who arent aware of your relation with the players (like viewers outside of SEA) they may see this as bias.

I don't see how this could be considered bias... Casters always have their favourite players - watch GSL and Artosis will often tell you about his favourite players. I think the trick is being open about it but not blunt or negative to players that aren't your favourites. It's quite acceptable for Maynarde to say, 'Ohh, now we have a game between EdgE and yang - my favourite zerg vs my 2nd favourite Protoss' (2nd to ChadMann, obviously ) - they are entitled to their opinion and talking about the players as though the casters know them gives the players personality rather than being left as an enigma...

Best of luck Dox/Maynarde/Doble - pretty if you guys can nail the suggestions in this thread you'll be flying over to Korea to replace Tastosis...

EDIT:
Also, if the only obs in the games are the casters and a streamer - for example, inFeZa is streaming and obsing with Maynarde and Doble casting - set inFeZa as Ref and the other casters as spectators, then if the casters want to communicate between each other, they can... say, Maynarde notices something and Doble is talking about the game.... Maynarde can send Doble a message in Spectators chat (that won't come up on the stream) asking for a moment of the mic time, then Doble can wrap up what he is saying and allow Maynarde time to deliver his point... rather than having one try and talk over the other... or as a reminder to each other, to give a shout out to the sponsors or to stop talking about their twitter pages.. :P

Quick Comments

Stallion:

excellent

[Maynarde]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

I find at times you seem to talk about players like yang and Edge alot, for people who arent aware of your relation with the players (like viewers outside of SEA) they may see this as bias.

Hey Chris thanks for the feedback on all players Just for a bit of clarity here, I do definitely have my favourite players but consciously make an effort not to cast biased! Hopefully that comes across when the action kicks into gear, but in the early game (in my opinion) you need to fill the lack of action with SOMETHING. Whether it be banter or analysis of the plays / players.

EdgE is a player I've watched play many times at local LANs and we talk fairly often, so I know a lot about him and like to give people insight on what to expect from the players. Obviously I haven't been casting very long, and have only just recently started to learn traits of other SEA players. For instance with yang as you mentioned, I know he will almost always FFE against Zerg, Mafia will drone forever, Rossi will 1 rax expand, (etc etc).

I do appreciate the feedback and I'll make sure that if I'm talkin' about one guy I better have something to say about the other too so it balances out better. Good point

Quick Comments

TAEaeron:

Now I know the all their strats, I can win :)

[Stallion]

I just wanted to say what Chadmann said about map specifics is a great point. This is something players up to grandmasters even won't notice little things on a map such as on MLG tda i believ it is that has the low ground between the main and the 3rd so reapers and blink stalkers can go into the main another way.

[iMSystem]

Originally Posted by aLtStallion

I just wanted to say what Chadmann said about map specifics is a great point. This is something players up to grandmasters even won't notice little things on a map such as on MLG tda i believ it is that has the low ground between the main and the 3rd so reapers and blink stalkers can go into the main another way.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that little ramp thing is removed from the Blizzard Version of TDA

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by System

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that little ramp thing is removed from the Blizzard Version of TDA

The MLG maps on SEA are outdated.

Quick Comments

syfChadMann:

Gold minerals on Metalopolis?.. :P

[syfChadMann]

Yeah - but it wouldn't be hard for a top pro to give you guys a bit of info on some of the match ups and how particular maps effect them - for you guys to have at hand to talk about during the down time on maps - and even use as a cheat sheet when you're discussing what strategies might be employed on the map.. just prepare yourself with as much info on maps and match ups and go from there.. Like Terran's taking a fast third on Antiga or the siege position under the natural on Tal'Darim - and how spawning in particular positions is favourable for either race in the match up..