[dennistoo]

Should i or not? Currently on 2.7k diamond and the games against high level players is pretty stressful. Should i try to hit master?!

[Xeen]

If it matters to you to have the icon.

If not, just play customs.

[dennistoo]

Originally Posted by Xeen

If it matters to you to have the icon.

If not, just play customs.

Understand that Blizz is resetting the ladder soon that makes me to think twice whether i should try to hit master or not. How is master's placement so far? Is the opp facing mostly high level? I have yet to place with someone in a master before tho..

[Benji]

Current bonus pool is around 2750 btw

[dennistoo]

Originally Posted by Benji

Current bonus pool is around 2750 btw

Sorry but don't quite get you. My current bonus pool is around 28 which i used up most of it while trying to get myself off from plat to diamond.

[Xeen]

Originally Posted by dennistoo

Sorry but don't quite get you. My current bonus pool is around 28 which i used up most of it while trying to get myself off from plat to diamond.

His point is that unmoderated by bonus, you're either a very low point or negative point diamond player. Given your winrate of 51%, it's likely you have a fair bit to climb to get yourself promoted.

Players don't suddenly get better in Master league, so ladder if you want the icon or really enjoy it. Otherwise play customs (assuming you have players to play with), it's better practice and less stressful.

[dennistoo]

Originally Posted by Xeen

His point is that unmoderated by bonus, you're either a very low point or negative point diamond player. Given your winrate of 51%, it's likely you have a fair bit to climb to get yourself promoted.

Players don't suddenly get better in Master league, so ladder if you want the icon or really enjoy it. Otherwise play customs (assuming you have players to play with), it's better practice and less stressful.

I see. Meaning to say lesser the bonus pool the chances of facing higher diamond/plat will be significantly higher? Actually, i just want to complete every highest ranking league SC2 has to offer and of cos, the portrait of 750W.

Guess i will just play some custom or doing 2s/3s/4s with friends cos it is less stressful against 1s.

[Xeen]

Eh, all it means is because your winrate is close to 50% and your point gain is pretty much slowed to nothing, your MMR is sitting where it should be - you'll have to win a LOT of games to bring it up and play against players rated significantly higher.

[dennistoo]

Originally Posted by Xeen

Eh, all it means is because your winrate is close to 50% and your point gain is pretty much slowed to nothing, your MMR is sitting where it should be - you'll have to win a LOT of games to bring it up and play against players rated significantly higher.

I see. Infact, i played LOTs of games to bring me up to diamond. Around 100+/-. Sian lah, must play 100+ games again.. think can forget it.

[Xeen]

Heh, if it feels like a chore, just do team games or custom 1v1s.

[sunsetkid]

with bonus pool at 2750, you need around 3100 pts as an E rank diamond or 2750 S rank to be promoted currently. i'm around 2950 after bonus on both my friends accts(E diamond) and not promoted. am playing master leaguers though. I do believe that, just like chess ratings inflation(if you play chess, look at the number of people rated over 2700 elo today compared to 5 years back), sc2 ratings also inflate over time---more master leaguers over time without necessarily being better. so yes, there's probably a chance of squeezing in without being that good as time passes.

i'm sure you remember promoting from plat to diamond, you start playing diamonds. so similarly if you don't face masters, you aren't close to master league yet. but don't give up. you'll get there one day!

[dennistoo]

Originally Posted by sunsetkid

with bonus pool at 2750, you need around 3100 pts as an E rank diamond or 2750 S rank to be promoted currently. i'm around 2950 after bonus on both my friends accts(E diamond) and not promoted. am playing master leaguers though. I do believe that, just like chess ratings inflation(if you play chess, look at the number of people rated over 2700 elo today compared to 5 years back), sc2 ratings also inflate over time---more master leaguers over time without necessarily being better. so yes, there's probably a chance of squeezing in without being that good as time passes.

i'm sure you remember promoting from plat to diamond, you start playing diamonds. so similarly if you don't face masters, you aren't close to master league yet. but don't give up. you'll get there one day!

Thanks. Infact, i spent 2 days straight 8hrs a day to get myself off plat to diamond. The time where i before i got promoted was around 2.8k. My current league #1 got promoted with W/L ratio of around 30/40 at around 3.1k pts.

[Draxy]

I don't get what the deal is. Do players avoid ladder so they don't vs high level players?
Why not just play ladder as normal and end up where you end up?
Like I really don't get why you wouldn't just ladder. The match making will put you against opponents and if you cant beat them it will take you down to opponents at your level.

Im not trying to be a smart ass, I just really don't see what the deal is.

[dennistoo]

Originally Posted by Draxy

I don't get what the deal is. Do players avoid ladder so they don't vs high level players?
Why not just play ladder as normal and end up where you end up?
Like I really don't get why you wouldn't just ladder. The match making will put you against opponents and if you cant beat them it will take you down to opponents at your level.

Im not trying to be a smart ass, I just really don't see what the deal is.

I guess is the stress level playing against high level players. I recalled playing a high level zerg and also recalled i was leading ALL the way but when he lings rushed into all my main tech buildings, i was unable to contain his massive force of lings and i eventually GG. I did told myself i will stop 1s ladder after getting diamond but it seems like the urge of getting to another level keeps coming.

[sunsetkid]

you have to start by winning more games! the points aren't so important. what matters is the relative points(since bonus pool forever increases).
as a matter of observation, what i have noticed is that, for diamonds to promote to masters, you need a certain number of points off the baseline of your league. to find out the baseline of your league, just take the points of the new-promoters---those with exclamation marks next to their names. those are people who have stopped playing within the week after getting promoted, or just newly promoted. if you add their points+bonus, you will notice that they are roughly around the same, give or take 50 pts. if you are S-rank, you need over 150 pts over baseline to hit master. if yours is a E-rank, you will likely need around 150+310=460 pts off that baseline.

being number 1 in the league doesn't mean closest to promotion. more often than not, it simply means the person has used up all the bonus pool.

[SiF]

Hey guys, maybe you could help me out. I'm trying to grasp what I need to get into Masters in SEA. I've taken in some of the above but I'm still not quite sure how it works.

According to the Blizzard update the top 1-2% of players go into Masters. The top 200 go into Grand Masters ( in NA)

Is this right? 118,615 players on SEA*
The Top 1% = 1186 players / top 2% = 2372 players

But I've heard that it's different here - is it the top 0.5%?


The reason why I ask is because I'm rank #1 diamond with 2750~ pts and have a bonus of 72pts. I am currently ranked #390* in SEA.

I've checked the Master league table and there are people like: http://www.sc2ranks.com/sea/12518/DEUX

Duex has less games, a lower win ratio %, and is ranked below me at #529 in SEA...

So I'm confused... why is this person in the Masters League while I'm not? Does it have something to do with his bonus?

I've been vs'ing almost all Master Leaguers with a few rank 1 diamonds here and there. I've been beating top 100 ranked players so surely my MMR isn't that bad?

I'm sure that if I just keep laddering it'll happen but it would be nice if one of you who clearly understands this better than I could help me understand the entry level and how this base points system works.

* source sc2ranks.com

[sunsetkid]

Originally Posted by SiF

Hey guys, maybe you could help me out. I'm trying to grasp what I need to get into Masters in SEA. I've taken in some of the above but I'm still not quite sure how it works.

According to the Blizzard update the top 1-2% of players go into Masters. The top 200 go into Grand Masters ( in NA)

Is this right? 118,615 players on SEA*
The Top 1% = 1186 players / top 2% = 2372 players

But I've heard that it's different here - is it the top 0.5%?


The reason why I ask is because I'm rank #1 diamond with 2750~ pts and have a bonus of 72pts. I am currently ranked #390* in SEA.

I've checked the Master league table and there are people like: http://www.sc2ranks.com/sea/12518/DEUX

Duex has less games, a lower win ratio %, and is ranked below me at #529 in SEA...

So I'm confused... why is this person in the Masters League while I'm not? Does it have something to do with his bonus?

I've been vs'ing almost all Master Leaguers with a few rank 1 diamonds here and there. I've been beating top 100 ranked players so surely my MMR isn't that bad?

I'm sure that if I just keep laddering it'll happen but it would be nice if one of you who clearly understands this better than I could help me understand the entry level and how this base points system works.

* source sc2ranks.com

here's my take on it. you are around 2822 pts in a B rank division. it equates to around 2700 in an S-rank division and around 2550 master. since most guys being promoted are around 2600+ now after considering bonus, you will need another 50 to 100 pts and be promoted---this number will increase as time goes on due to increasing bonus.

if you play 10 games every day, i'm sure you will be promoted by the end of the week.
try and see!

[dennistoo]

Originally Posted by sunsetkid

here's my take on it. you are around 2822 pts in a B rank division. it equates to around 2700 in an S-rank division and around 2550 master. since most guys being promoted are around 2600+ now after considering bonus, you will need another 50 to 100 pts and be promoted---this number will increase as time goes on due to increasing bonus.

if you play 10 games every day, i'm sure you will be promoted by the end of the week.
try and see!

How do you analysis by division rank? Can you help me do a analysis based on your calculation?

[sunsetkid]

Originally Posted by dennistoo

How do you analysis by division rank? Can you help me do a analysis based on your calculation?

ranking within the same division does not matter at all. you can be top 10 but close to demotion. if you are talking about division tiers, i think your division is E rank. if you are in a E rank division, your division offset from S rank is 312 pts. meaning your 2700(after adding bonus) would be equal to a 2388 point S rank division. this would mean 2238 master. now, no one in master(after adding bonus) is lower than 2238 because they would have been demoted long ago.
there may be some masters who are 24xx who are playing diamonds and in danger of demotion, so just beating these guys alone isn't enough.

for you to promote, you will probably need to hit the points that would give you around 2650+ master/2800+ S rank/3112 E rank.

so at 2700, you are almost certainly still playing diamonds and established platinums since you are at an established E rank level and with so many games+being around the points level where people newly get promoted. i'd go so far to venture that you are very far from master league. unless you can win a significant proportion of your games from now on, you will stay in diamond.

note that with every passing day, you need to add 12 to that number as 1 point is generated every 2 hrs.

[Xeen]

Points are irrelevant to promotion. It's entirely MMR based.

You need to keep up a MMR climb by consistently winning matches in order for it to consider you for promotion. The more games you've played, the more your MMR is 'figured out', and thus the more wins it takes to shift it upwards.