[BeCosmos]

nirvAnA's note:

1. kindly refrain from commenting in this thread unless you have watched the replay
2. a clan's image should never be the result of a lone individual's actions. rLs for e.g was a clan full of really cool guys apart from he who cannot be named. SPR likewise appears to be a clan mostly made up of nice people too who are quick to disassociate themselves with such unethical behaviour and as evidenced by Masters response in this thread, so any negative feelings towards their clan are unwarranted.
3. this replay is apparently suspicious and not totally groundless, thats why the thread was not closed.
4. please keep in mind the possibility of him being innocent. So only unless blizzard bans his account or if he admits to it - dont be too quick to condemn him. In the mean time you are free to make your own judgement, just dont go overboard.

Hello guys!

This is my first post beside the quick presentation, I often check this forum but without posting yet.
My id is Cosmos.625 and I am a terran player (GM), you may have play me in ladder.

I played about a hour ago a maphacker called MeaNySPR (it was on the SEA server, of course). I am posting here to be sure that this player will be banned from the tournaments organized on the SEA server and to warn you if you play against him.

I only had a few doubts while playing the game because of his "luck" so I decided to watch the replay and this is what I saw:

Here is the replay: http://terranimba.com/replay/3OJk3YzUUOVj2Z

I am the red player on the bottom left, he is the blue player on the bottom right.

There are (at least) 2 moments in the replay where the hack is obvious:

-18:16 minuts (watch top left of the map) : He never scouted the 11 o'clock expand, sends 2 medivacs with marines, land them near the expand, uses stimpack (still without seeing the expand) and runs until the expand to kill it.

-18;50 minuts (watch bottom mid of the map and his natural base) : He didn't see by any way my medivacs going at the bottom of the map to his expand. When medivac almost reach his base, he uses stimpack on all his marines at his natural and goes to counter my drop, without even seeing it.


Don't hesitate to use V to switch from everyon's view to his view.

If you watch all the game on his view, there is nothing that can be detected but I heard that new map hacks prevent viewers of a replay to see when the map hacker is watching through the fog of war.
It could aswell be a hack showing him the minimap only, I don't know.

Please don't juge me on my play in this game, I played terribly. I'd like to add that I of course reported him to Blizzard via Bnet but Blizzard is apparently doing nothing so I wanted to share it with you, since it is on this website that most SEA events are organized (I think).

Cordially,

Cosmos

[Satu]

1. He spots the scv going to the expansion on the minimap. No reason for a marine to move over that direction, so you can assume its an scv.

2. He saw your medivacs and marines move away and ball up behind your army. He then sends only half his marines to his main by a stim, to be safe.

MeaNySPR has been playing on the SEA server for a fair while now, I've played against him a few times and I've never seen anything map-hack worthy. In that game, he doesn't move his player camera to look at any of your bases, to check your buildings/units. I don't think any maphacker would not do that.

I could be wrong, I just don't see any conclusive evidence.

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by Zergtastic

MeaNySPR has been playing on the SEA server for a fair while now, I've played against him a few times and I've never seen anything map-hack worthy. In that game, he doesn't move his player camera to look at any of your bases, to check your buildings/units. I don't think any maphacker would not do that.

Sc2 maphacks allow you to 'lock player cam' so that when you take those sneaky peeks through the fog of war, you aren't seen doing it via player cam.

Either way, whether or not meanyspr is a hacker (and i certainly dont believe strongly either way), I'm 100% convinced there is atleast 1, if not more, hackers in SEA and every other Grandmaster league out there and you have a ******* retard amount of faith in humanity if you believe otherwise.

I'm just waiting till i get to lol when blizzard releases all the names they've banned and i see people ive been raping in macro games anyway were filthy hackers.

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	EveRorschach:
	ToRDeathsFang:	Well said +2

[Homer]

I've vsed him before on ladder (He either 1 or 2 base all ins), and to be honest now that I look back it does seem a little bit 'suss'. I've had games where he will go for the typical Terran 1 base all in, not spot if i have an expo (now that I look back with his cam view, which I hadn't expanded upon seeing him 1 basing), which he then expands. There has been a few other suss occasions aswell with his timings upon drops, etc, but I'm not 100% sure, could just be luck playing a role too.

[NvJazBas]

This is pretty stupid. I mean it is possible that Meany might have hacked, but to assume that he hacked with some plays that might have been based on "luck" or his "game sense" is really stupid imo. Somethings things like blind counters, blind rushes work without hacking. In TvZ, lots of Terran players just drop their marines near Z's 3rd base without scouting that there was one (even if it was fairly quick 3rd) and stims there just incase and I know they aren't hackers its just game sense. To post something like this when you are not 100% sure he hacked is just an assault and a result of your rage came out from losing. Please don't say someone has hacked when you are not 100% sure. And think before you post something like this. How would you feel if you were Meany and you didn't hack? Please think before you act.

[Xeen]

Originally Posted by nGenJazBas

How would you feel if you were Meany and you didn't hack? Please think before you act.

Proud as hell, that I trampled some nerd so hard that he thought I was cheating.

[Homer]

Originally Posted by nGenJazBas

This is pretty stupid. I mean it is possible that Meany might have hacked, but to assume that he hacked with some plays that might have been based on "luck" or his "game sense" is really stupid imo. Somethings things like blind counters, blind rushes work without hacking. In TvZ, lots of Terran players just drop their marines near Z's 3rd base without scouting that there was one (even if it was fairly quick 3rd) and stims there just incase and I know they aren't hackers its just game sense. To post something like this when you are not 100% sure he hacked is just an assault and a result of your rage came out from losing. Please don't say someone has hacked when you are not 100% sure. And think before you post something like this. How would you feel if you were Meany and you didn't hack? Please think before you act.

He was doing the Terran 1 base all in, that I have never seen anyone ever expand from (I've also vsed him a few times, and he's done the same thing 1 base every time). Then out of nowhere throws down an expansion. I'm not claiming he hacks, I'm juts calling it very suss and that OP may in fact be correct.

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	TAriiChard:	wow ....
	[TA]LoSt:	lolol
	Champi:	really man... =/
	deL:	Confirmation: people who expand are hackers.

[ZergGirl]

5:38 randomly looks in your base.

11:23, fiddles around with his units then moves them into a nice position to defend the attack he can't see coming. (didn't have siege though lol)

13:35 prepares to move into your base from the front, your siege line sets up - he runs a different way. (You will see the wiggle)

at 14:17 he looks at your marine at the 12 o clock position then your command centre at the top left.

18:50 The blind drop counter is suss. Of course you will move your marines and medivacs back out of tank fire :P

and watching MeaNy PoV he didn't see the scv, it was on the minimap though.

Btw the hack people use (that isn't detectable) is basically just an overlay. It shows what you are making, where you are making it and has little squares on your minimap representing certain units and buildings. Requires a nice little rewrite on blizzards part for it to be picked up by warden (QQ).

I talk to a few SPR members and they are all legit, MeaNy more than likely is too
Nothing really screams 100% maphacking :3
Alot of what he did could just be from playing TvT on that map and expects xxxx.

[clock]

Meany, please refer to the post below, watch the replay yourself and then explain why you would hover your camera over the minimap without performing any attack moves etc on that point, specifically when both exact points had enemy units/buildings under them.

I watched the replay then alt tabbing back to zerggirls post and its all right on the money, and in your post there is not explanation for any of this.

I think if you can explain this then it will put everyones mind at rest and prove your innocence.

I just watched the replay and i cant see why you randomly put ur screen here man. and everytime if i switched it to everyones view there was always something of his under the fog.

edit: im sure we can all admit even if we dont hack and never will, sometimes curiosity makes you want to type it in google and just try it for one game maybe this is a similar screnario as there is alot of cred here for meany from other players, but at the same time theres some really too many unexplainable things in the replay i think

Originally Posted by ZergGirl

5:38 randomly looks in your base.

11:23, fiddles around with his units then moves them into a nice position to defend the attack he can't see coming. (didn't have siege though lol)

13:35 prepares to move into your base from the front, your siege line sets up - he runs a different way. (You will see the wiggle)

at 14:17 he looks at your marine at the 12 o clock position then your command centre at the top left.

18:50 The blind drop counter is suss. Of course you will move your marines and medivacs back out of tank fire :P

and watching MeaNy PoV he didn't see the scv, it was on the minimap though.

Btw the hack people use (that isn't detectable) is basically just an overlay. It shows what you are making, where you are making it and has little squares on your minimap representing certain units and buildings. Requires a nice little rewrite on blizzards part for it to be picked up by warden (QQ).

I talk to a few SPR members and they are all legit, MeaNy more than likely is too
Nothing really screams 100% maphacking :3
Alot of what he did could just be from playing TvT on that map and expects xxxx.

[storywriter]

For what it's worth, I played against MeanySPR about a month ago and he definitely wasn't hacking then (I did a 3 gateway pressure which he didn't prepare for and even asked me number of gateways after the game). Had a nice chat with him too so, for my part, I doubt he's a hacker.

[[TA]LoSt]

Yeh I've had practice games with MeaNySPR and he's asking me for games numerous times, and I've also met him on ladder. Haven't watched the replay now but I'm sure he wasn't hacking back then. No comment for now though.

And there's two different map hacks, one is an overlay and the other is a legit executable maphack that allows you to, as pinder said, lock the screen while you check out your opponents base then unlock the screen when you're done. The overlay maphack is not as complex.

[ZergGirl]

Originally Posted by [TA]LoSt

And there's two different map hacks, one is an overlay and the other is a legit executable maphack that allows you to, as pinder said, lock the screen while you check out your opponents base then unlock the screen when you're done. The overlay maphack is not as complex.

nasty :|
It's nice that sea is so small sometimes xD

[PiG]

Man you guys have insane apm wth!

I didn't look to closely but it looked like you were outplayed. IF you want this to be taken seriously compile a list of questionable things he did. Otherwise looks like u just ragin boi!

[TARane]

I know MeaNySPR personally, infact he goes to my school and has been over at my house to chill and play SC2 several times.
I can confidently say he doesnt maphack cuz ive played numerous practice games with him and seen him play live with no maphacking whatsoever.
If he is infact maphacking outside my clock, shame on him and suitable punishment should follow. However, i still strongly believe the chances of him actually maphacking are close to zero and for one to accuse him on such fact would make him even more depressed than he is now (cuz he is so joke at this game )

[MeaNySPR]

oh wow man you must have been really pissed off because you just lost to a master league noob and gave so much points away! I really thank you for that because I was really aspiring to beat a grandmaster in a long while.
I know you were "Favored" on the ladder game and everything but it really takes some guts to immaturely decide that I was maphacking when I beat you.
Have you ever seen ST_Bomber's games on DreamHack?
Have you ever seen BratOK's games?
Yeap that's right.
The trend nowadays is to create a base at the corners of the map because it can not be easily attacked as you are vulnerable for counter attack.
I knew you weren't going for a 2 base all in because of the number of units you had.
Is it so wrong to correctly assume that you have a third?
"stimpacking marines before even knowing that you have a third located there" = suspicious?
Dude, get some pills and relax man. there's really nothing suspicious about trying to just get to locations faster with a low cost of stimpack. I always stimpack a marine or two to the new location that I am flying my CC over to because I just want any unit there to be killed faster.
You were containing me in my base with your tanks. You had medivacs and marines playing around. Oh shit I forgot to prevent drops! Hence I smacked my marines' ass to run to my base to protect my base.
I really can't believe I am bothering to explain a lot of things about just a game that I played with some random rager, but I really need you to just shut up.
If you have so much problem about the games that you play because you lost, you obviously don't have the mindset that's totally necessary in the world of starcraft: to analyze your mistakes and learn from them to become a better player. I really don't know why you are even playing starcraft (possibly to just rage at people? I don't know, you answer me).
Oh and my last words-
You shouldn't be streaming.
Build skill first.

That's all

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	nard:	epic last two lines
	Dox:	Awful.

[TARane]

Originally Posted by meany

Oh and my last words-
You shouldn't be streaming.

That's all

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. case closed?

[BeCosmos]

My stream is not famous so I didn't even guess that he could streamsnipe me but even if it is what he did, it is cheating.

When he is defending himself saying I'm raging or mad, it doesn't make any sense... I gged and it was the first game for me this day so I just knew I played bad, told to myself: "aaah played so bad, but let'st check the replay, just in case (for the medivac drop at bottom of the map especially, but I first thought that he would have see it by any way)". It is only by chance/accident (for him) that I found the stimpack without seeing my base at top left and with the confirmation he didn't see my medivacs at the bottom

More, it was TvT and the mu being perfectly balanced, if you lose you fucked up. I even think that without the cheat he would probably have win since I played terribly and he macroed better. He would have take a bit more dammages to the drop but would have been able to clean it pretty easily and finish the game.

I repeat: I am not mad, not even raging at him after discovering the cheat just having pity but hoping for sanction. If you didn't see the replay yet, I encourage you to do it. It is the first time I am almost certain that I played a cheater in more than 2000 games on starcraft 2 (maybe got drophacked but can't really see if it was a drophack or my connection having a problem).

[NvJazBas]

So Meany stream sniped cosmos?lol

[MeaNySPR]

Originally Posted by nGenJazBas

So Meany stream sniped cosmos?lol

nooo i didn't even know such a player can dare to stream his games

[Xeen]

Originally Posted by meany

nooo i didn't even know such a player can dare to stream his games

You're quite the keyboard warrior.

I propose a grudgematch between these two.

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	TADivinity:	Why?
	lolwut:	for fun :D