[TofuGuy]

Bronze-Silver leagues are broken. You know why? These leagues are infested by people in the higher leagues who love to farm portraits. Most of them are in Masters and in Diamond.

I've reported a few players who obviously got themselves demoted so they can get easy wins from real Bronze-Silver players. I've added them to my friend list so I can check if they will really get the ban hammer.

Well, they are still out there, I tell you. I can still see them online almost everyday as if nothing happened.

[PiG]

Pretty sure this is plain wrong. There's like 1/100 games at most you will hit these people.

There really can't be that many people sad enough to do this to ruin ladder unless you're laddering at like 5am and hit the same person repeatedly.

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[Volition]

Originally Posted by PiG

Pretty sure this is plain wrong. There's like 1/100 games at most you will hit these people.

There really can't be that many people sad enough to do this to ruin ladder unless you're laddering at like 5am and hit the same person repeatedly.

While PiG is an absolute boss, I have friends in bronze and silver league, and i think the 1% is too low for how many smurfs are down there. Depending on how you define smurf (say that they have been Plat+ in 1v1 in the last 5 seasons), i would think that probably at least 1/20 games are smurf games. While 5% isnt that much higher than 1%, take for example that Zoom was in my plat league at the start of this season... and smurfs are going to be more active than most players who play their 1 game and log out for the season

The OP though is just wrong, a lot of players in silver and bronze get obsessed with who is smurfing, and try to say that a diamond 3v3 player = smurf. It doesnt. Losing the very occasional game cannot ruin bronze and silver league.

To TofuGuy, stick with it, it doesnt get any better on the way up. Work on your mechanics and learn a few timing attack builds. best of luck

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[ToRVenom]

Originally Posted by PiG

Pretty sure this is plain wrong. There's like 1/100 games at most you will hit these people.

There really can't be that many people sad enough to do this to ruin ladder unless you're laddering at like 5am and hit the same person repeatedly.

I think i may have to disagree with this to an extant. And also disagree with the OP, again to an extant.

firsly pig, one of my mates is in bronze and he vs's players every 3rd game or so that are clearly just there farming portraits or just playing the bronze league. After the games you look at ther profile and they have over 2k games and you see they win a game by over 40k points. its insane. And then after each match they leave their next game instantly . They do this to stay in the bronze league.

However with the OP. I think it is a bit harsh to be saying that the ladder is broken . There is very little Blizzard can do to stop this from happening with out upsetting some sort of balance with the ladder.
They have it now where you can report players who are just deliberately leaving games just to drop to lower leagues. I believe this is possibly the bets blizzard can do about it. I know this is a problem, i have seen this as an issue when watch my mate "Gunter" play.

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[JoFritzMD]

What PiG said. Also, I'm pretty sure 90% of the people farming portraits just worker rush so really they have no advantage over the other person.

[NvPinder]

This is vintage "the only reason I can't get out of D+ is because i keep running into tons of A- korean smurfs" iCCup logic.

Everyone that gets out of bronze/silver has to play the EXACT same ammount of smurfers/people who dropped there mmr as you do. You are at absolutely no disadvantage to anyone else in bronze/silver in terms of making your way out. And as pig said, I HIGHLY doubt you're running into as many masters and GM smurfs as you think you are, don't use it as an excuse every 2nd game you lose to a person much better than you.

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[Nemo]

Post replays of your games against those "Master smurfs". We will help you improve your game so you can beat them.

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[Mayo]

The only weird thing I find is that now I am in Silver, my matches are so much easier.

Honestly, it's ridiculous. I used to have some close matches in Bronze, but so far in Silver I have been rofl stomping everything. I don't understand o_O

[syfCabracan]

Originally Posted by Mayo

The only weird thing I find is that now I am in Silver, my matches are so much easier.

Honestly, it's ridiculous. I used to have some close matches in Bronze, but so far in Silver I have been rofl stomping everything. I don't understand o_O

Wouldn't it be great if this was how to worked when you went diamond -> master : )

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by Mayo

The only weird thing I find is that now I am in Silver, my matches are so much easier.

You're just improving, it's hard to notice yourself getting mechanically better at the game, its just something that happens over time, kinda like trying to judge how much better your aim is getting in FPS's.

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[breadfan]

Originally Posted by Mayo

The only weird thing I find is that now I am in Silver, my matches are so much easier.

Honestly, it's ridiculous. I used to have some close matches in Bronze, but so far in Silver I have been rofl stomping everything. I don't understand o_O

This is normal though. In bronze, people are just trying to make stuff. In silver, generally they are trying to get comfortable with following build orders and things unnatural to them, and so because they don't execute these properly it will often seem easier.

I had this period of time where I was getting better, but actually had worse results on the ladder. Basically, I trained myself early to overcome getting supply blocked by making way too many of supply depots early, to the point where I'd be at 34/91 supply or something ridiculous. Of course, it didn't matter as I was still able to execute something that resembled a 1/1/1 well enough to kill my opponents. When I went back to fix it up, it took a lot of losses before I was able to correct my play

So there'll be ups and downs right through your playing career, it doesn't mean smurfs are to blame.

[AxS.Sorathez]

Originally Posted by Mayo

The only weird thing I find is that now I am in Silver, my matches are so much easier.

Honestly, it's ridiculous. I used to have some close matches in Bronze, but so far in Silver I have been rofl stomping everything. I don't understand o_O

The same thing happened to me back when I was in bronze-silver... I remember being SO happy about finally getting in to silver, started thrashing everyone, and then gold a week later.
I don't entirely know what happened, but I think it's just that sometimes players experience a sudden burst of skill, getting promoted, and then having an easy time in the league above. Maybe not, but that's what I think.

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[ToRSpookToR]

Because people in bronze do things that dont make sense haha. or you gosu

[Mayo]

Originally Posted by Spo0k

Because people in bronze do things that dont make sense haha. or you gosu

Yeah this is true, but also true for Silver.
I wonder how some people even make it from bronze to silver some times.. I played a Terran on Friday night, won the game @ 22 minutes and his natural was only half completed.

He went 1 base with bio/mech and then transitioned into battle cruisers...

Or a Protoss I played on Friday night went void rays against my BIO army, called Terran OP when I beat him and then continued to tell me that he didn't use build orders or strategies.

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[ToRSpookToR]

i have the same problem in diamond everyone that beats me is a smurf its a real problem

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[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by HoHVenom

And then after each match they leave their next game instantly .

This would mean that players in Bronze league - statistically would hit the smurfs and lose to them in a legit game and hit the smurfs when they leave the game straight away equally - there for cancel out the effect on MMR..

play more games - you'll get out of Bronze.

I think... I was never in Bronze

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[ToRVenom]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

This would mean that players in Bronze league - statistically would hit the smurfs and lose to them in a legit game and hit the smurfs when they leave the game straight away equally - there for cancel out the effect on MMR..

This is assuming they hit that one person over and over again. Again not all players are smurfs.
So There is a chance for people to go up int he league however with the amount of smurfs you can face on the ladder i am saying it is alot harder now for players to advance out of bronze and silver.

[QEDFridge]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

I think... I was never in Bronze

this line infuriates me :P

[Bloodmyst]

Is it possible to get bronze smurfs in Platinum? It's bullshit I tell you! 2ez!

On a serious note, don't worry about it dude. On the rare occasion I come up against a smurf and get roflstomped, these are the games I learn most from! So I don't mind it too much tbh.

If you want to look on the positive side of things, every now and then I come across those players deliberately losing games to get demoted. One night I got matched up against the same guy 4 times and he had left the game each time. I think the amount of smurfs you play against = the amount of leavers you play against. It evens itself out.

There's only 2 things that grinds my gears in this game;

1. Storm
2. Spook always being 1 league above me! Grrrrrr!

[Frogmite]

I just played a blatant smurf, his name is tScDjent please be carefull everybody.

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