I applaud those of you who are in SEA doing the hard yards to try to get events up and running such as Dox. But at the same time, having power struggles and mental crisis' are not going to achieve your own goals, or help anything.
I think labels like "power struggles" and "mental crises" are heavy exaggerations. The phrasing suggests a few small disagreements resulted in catastrophes to the extent of PPSL.
Occasionally I choose to voice my opinion and I welcome the opinions of others, it doesn't need to be viewed as a flaming feud when those perspectives don't align. Just because I disagree with something Benji says about a player, or respectfully accept a decision Bryan makes doesn't mean I hate them and I want to see them burn. I continue to respect and appreciate their contributions to the scene and I carry on doing what I do. (Same applies for when I inadvertently upset Dan.)
I'd really love for you FXO fellas to come on over and attend an ACL event one day. I think you'll be proud to see what these talented guys have accomplished over the last year. The Australian scene has come a long way since you guys shipped out. As far as population density goes, we're never gonna catch the rest of the world. But when it comes to infrastructure, production and professionalism, ACL is world class. And I'm not tooting my own horn here. I'm a really small fish in the grand scheme of ACL. There are half a dozen unsung heroes who really make the magic happen.
Anywho, I know AU/NZ doesn't represent SEA as a whole, but I just wanted to share that little bit. There is a common misconception that we're stagnating. This is definitely not the case.
Okay -
More on topic, i just wanted to say somewhere how i feel about the team, thought here would be a good place, maybe not - sorry pig and dot i know how you guys were, read on for more info.
First off - Yes the SEA Scene has grown a lot recently, i've seen a huge jump in skill of our players from the times of old where it was just glade and nobody else was close to his skill level or as well known, now that gap is kinda closing and our players are getting there name out there. Mafia hitting top page for getting korean GM, ITG incontrol, idra painuser mentioned a few players that are playing at WCS aus and said it will be an exciting tournament to watch.
I always hear stories from TA chat or other chats on which players got defeated by our good old SEA heros on KR or NA ladder, nowdays kinda hard with all the barcodes but i still believe some pros are sitting behind those accounts.
Good! We're getting better! Great!
Boss' Blog & PiG.
PiG was scheduled to play his games at my house, yes my place in melbourne when he was still in melbourne on holdiays with dot, and this was probably interfering with dot's sightseeing time. But he was too sick to make it to mine, and the dinner that we scheduled the next night. I think he was quite ill to play. Besides there was also an inconsiderate patch that day so i couldn't even log on to NA.
The rest of the players? No idea, but i got sick, dox, deth and a few others i know also got sick after ACL. So quite unfortunate. Leaving Mid-Series is quite uncalled for, maybe the cat was on fire? hope a good excuse was at hand ~
I think it's great that FXO is giving us this opportunity to play in this tournament, it is, but I don't think you should be praised for giving SEA a great opportunity by giving us invites, players here have the talent to qualify like anybody else (maybe not the latency tho). Still don't like you guys, but great! ~
It has been a while since a SEA player has been on the international stage, Maybe not TargA being in the NASL, ripping up well knowns on ******* 3g internet. If those maps were played with 50~ms ping i think it would have gone a lot more favourable for TargA.
With WCS around the corner we should have a good representation for SEA. I have high hopes for the players who will represent the region.
How can you help grow starcraft?
You don't have to do shit all. Just enjoy the game at your own leisure. No body is forcing you to 'watch a stream or you kill esports'. Content shouldn't be shoved down your throats. We should strive to make better more entertaining content ourselves, this way you'll be enticed to watch it because you want to. not because we're telling you to.
About scenes "dying" and this old boys club bullshit
It's kinda a weird thing and hard to explain my opinion... If theres no money to be won then there will be no players, but if there is money to be won, then players will fight and compete for it. So you can't say you won't support a scene because it is dead. Maybe it's dead because there was nothing to compete for in the first place? Yet its hard to put money up for prize with little return on investment. Catch 22.
My point is: imo scenes don't die because of the lack of players, but of the lack of competition set by events/sponsors. I have no background in running tournaments, so yeah...
Everything here is my opinion. Take it however you want. I probably won't read your counter opinions HA
Unfortunately being a smaller community. Every small mistake means allot and leads to posts such as this.
I'm kind of provoked about this but I see where he's coming from.
Maybe not the biased rabble about FXOpen because it was rather hypocritical of being "unprofessional". It was rather a screw up in both ends, not just for the players.
Iv'e seen this when I was helping out for a SC2 tournament in Melbourne which was a success but fell into a massive slump on the last 2 tournaments and lost heaps of money. Why? Because the promotion was getting sloppy and there wasn't enough communication, and the fact that this is still a common habit in tournaments for the past year I have been involved with the SC2 does sicken me a fair bit (Congrats to ACL, they know what they're doing). It's frustrating for everyone but it's unessential to point fingers.
I also agree that the "shit-slinging" is absurd, There are unresolved shit storms that have been going on since Iv'e joined SC2sea. People need to actually use their brains and think what they are doing without covering it with their ego. How hard is it to actually think "Oh wow I am actually a ******* dickhead, why did I actually do this?"
I support constructive criticism but when It gets to the point where there is swearing or out-of-topic criticism It makes me want to take a massive dump. Like seriously. Most people that are active on these forums are in their 20’s, 30’s? Shouldn’t you guys start acting your age and find constructive ways of resolving arguments?
It doesn’t help that there a so many people try and mask this shit with “OMFG NOT THIS AGAIN” “DON’T SAY SUCH CRUEL THINGS” “WHAT A DICKHEAD” “I NOW HATE THIS PERSON” “WHAT A DOUCHE”. I’m sorry but it will only seem better for yourself, nobody else outside side the SEA community would really care, and It just makes you look like an idiot.
Acceptance is the first stage of getting somewhere, and I do believe some people are doing this. However nothing will happen until everybody accepts and moves on.
Last edited by NOM; Fri, 13th-Jul-2012 at 11:48 PM.
I've been a member of this website for a while but I've never really found a decent opportunity to join in with the community, I guess the whole thing seemed fairly intimidating.
I attended the ACL Melbourne event on the weekend (Sunday) as a spectator and have since decided that I really want to be a part of the SEA E-Sports community.
I just wanted to post my experiences here as an 'outsider', so hopefully it might help you guys as leading figures in the SEA community get through to more people like me and eventually make the community grow.
My history is this really. I'm been in to competitive games for a long long time but never RTS. I used to play a lot of Counter-Strike and Battlefield and most shooters. I always loved the style of StarCraft and wanted to play, but was terrible at all things RTS. I never understood the concept of macro and didn't understand how battling the interface of a game was fun Blah blah blah I saw some footage of SC2 beta and pretty much decided I wanted to actually get not terrible at this game regardless of how much of a slow push it was gonna be.
It was a really slow transition. SC2 comes out and i get placed bronze like a ******* champion and stay in there for a season or two but then slowly work my way up through to platinum. At this stage it was all simple macro and basic mechanics, I understood the basics but knew that if I wanted to push in to Diamond and higher I'd need some more efficient builds and regular practice SO I VENTURED TO THE INTERNET! Discovering TeamLiquid was great, but I didn't like the idea of joining a large international community and preferred something more local.
I found some streams and discovered some Australians played and I was like shit yeah there's an Aussie community! I watched Mafia stream cause he seemed pretty cool and I found iaguz who was great to watch because I played Terran. I'd talk in chat a bit and ask questions, mostly interacting with the other viewers. This is for me where it started to get interesting.
More often than not, a question asked would result in sarcastic replies and insults. I once somehow got invited to spectate a clan war whom I wont mention the names of because it's not really that important and I realise that this was just a random scrim between two teams who are just having fun, but the reaction to an outsider sitting in a spectator slot was unbelievably negative. "who the **** is ____" "get out" "lol scrub". The conversations were incredibly immature and beyond any norms of standard social fun making. I realise that I was in the middle of two social groups and i don't expect everyone to be stoic and super professional, but it did make me never want to be apart of that again, nor have anything to do with particular players of particular teams. I've continued to watch streams, copy builds and occasionally interact with stream viewers, but it's still ridiculous the amount of snide and immature remarks from people in the chats of these streams not only from average viewers but recognisable names of players from teams we all know.
I'd pretty much decided to shelve the idea of participating in the SEA community by then. It was never a pleasant experience and the whole concept was intimidating for someone who wasn't i guess up to par with the current incrowd or any decent at the game to earn some form of respect from tournament results.
I moved to Melbourne almost a year ago now from Tasmania and attended the Silicon Sports barcrafts at The Exchange and met a few people there, the people I did interact with were pretty nice and it's rekindled my interest in the SEA community. I knew there were tourneys going on around Melbourne every now and again and wanted to either spectate or participate but never really found an opportunity. I stumbled upon a facebook repost about ACL and discovered that was on last weekend and thought of attending. I didn't realise the production value was so high until I tuned in on Saturday and was pleasantly surprised. Talking to people in the chat everyone was really nice and encouraging of coming down to the event so I shuffled some things around at work and gave myself Sunday off so I could come down. I headed down and met up with a mate and started watching some games, mostly on the main screen and then watching some of the players play (iaguz is a monster!). I never really found opportunity to talk to any of the people competing or much of the staff, everyone looked super busy and I didn't want to interrupt any of that. Everyone seemed really happy and nice enough to approach, but I just didn't want to interrupt anyone. I had a really great time and really look forward to the next time ACL is in Melbourne (I want to compete in the open bracket and get knocked out 2-0 first game like a boss) and I can't wait to attend the BarCraft GSL and GSTL finals weekend coming up soon.
I feel like this community is incredibly difficult to become a useful part of and can become insanely huge if it is worked and marketed the right way. I'm not really sure how that is but I know want to be a part of it and I try to promote this stuff aswell
This post has trailed off a bit and I've talked a lot of garbage. I'm not even sure if this wall of text is going to be of any use but HEY, I posted on this forum and might continue in future. I'm reading back through what I wrote and the whole thing is a bit messy, I guess I just wanted to get those negative experiences i had a while back off my chest and onto these forums.
P.S. Nom's post just reminded me of something I wanted to echo from PiG's original post:
There are so many un-tapped resources. University Facebook groups are one of the biggest ones. But Reddit/TL are severely underestimated. Over the ACL weekend, I posted a thread on Reddit and asked participants/fans/stream viewers to up-vote the thread. It only received ~30 upvotes over the course of the entire weekend, even though we had like 500 people in the stream at the time. This is the sort of stuff we need people actively doing. Don't just think to yourself, "oh, someone else will do it" because every number counts. When you have 50 people retweeting a stream or a bracket link, with several hundred upvoting a thread on Reddit/TL, we may not see the results immediately. But eventually we'll be in the face of the global community so frequently and consistently that we become mainstream content. The effort needs to come from within.
I'm an SC2 noob, but I know a lot about eSports and especially ACL. I know a lot of the numbers and figures, including stream numbers. I also know that our advertisement, marketing and word-of-mouth awareness could really use a HUGE improvement.
Although I agree with Infeza about the "you don't have to watch a stream or you kill eSports' theme, I do think we can all put in a conscious effort to help spread awareness of our scene. It's amazing the people that I come across who LOVE Starcraft, they're mad for it, but they have no idea who ACL is, nor do they know the Moonglades, Pigs or Mafias of our community. Ask them who Tastosis or MVP are though and they'll death stare you to the point you're scared.
I don't think it's any one person's, nay, any one organisation's job, to promote the SEA SC2 scene. It's down to all of us, and I really believe that. We can talk about all these issues and all these problems all night and into the morning, but let's face it, no one can compete or even watch if they don't know we exist!
A lot of responsibility falls on the organisations to promote themselves, and they do what they can with the resources at hand, but more could always be done. The community though is what I think will make a difference. If we all just make that small, conscious effort to promote that Aussie stream you're watching, tell those few nerdy friends of yours about the next ACL event, tell everyone you know about the next Masters Cup! Post on Your Facebook, Twitter, everywhere! You don't have to spam, but if everyone just made an effort to let other people know about our scene we will surely grow!
I probably diverted from the main theme of this thread, but this is something I'm passionate about. Much to SC2SEA, you guys are awesome!
EDIT - short version, what Dox said!! >_<
EDIT #2 - Justice, you are now my friend. Next time say hi to the staff!
Last edited by ACL inmaniac; Sat, 14th-Jul-2012 at 12:01 AM.
You don't have to do shit all. Just enjoy the game at your own leisure. No body is forcing you to 'watch a stream or you kill esports'. Content shouldn't be shoved down your throats. We should strive to make better more entertaining content ourselves, this way you'll be enticed to watch it because you want to. not because we're telling you to.
Like it or not esports production is competitive and quite saturated. If we want our events to be seen as sustainable by sponsors and organisers (many of whom have dipped into their own pockets to help host such great events) then we need more viewers and bigger turnouts. My dream is to have more sociable events like MLG and Dreamhack. Sure they'll be on a smaller scale but what I saw at ACL melbourne was a glimpse of a culture I want to see continue and not just disappear one day because not enough people show up to the event and the organiser can't afford to keep leaking cash.
I'm not saying "Hey get your ass over here and HELP OUT you lazy bastards!"
I'm pointing out a few simple things we can do to get more people down to our events. It's not forcing the events upon them. It's pulling the events out from under the rug and actually letting people see that it exists. When people find out about and experience ACL for the first time they are usually left with such a great experience that I want this to spread and expand so more of those sc2 nerds who don't know these events are on are enriched and given a chance to join in something I love.
In the OP i strongly disagreed with what was a somewhat negative and pragmatic view of the SEA scene by Boss. Whilst his business assessment of the situation may have been starkly true, as a culture and a Hobby-sport SC2 is growing phenomenally! Nonetheless there are ALWAYS deficiencies in how things are run. How they are advertised. And how we behave both as exemplars of the community and just as potential friends to new players and fans.
I'm not saying we need to become robots and be super manner or spend all day and all night tweeting or whatever. But shit if we aren't posting in some key groups that are out of touch with sc2sea, nor keeping the TL threads for our events on the frontpage for more then 5 minutes... then it will be a sad sight.
I see You sit there for 12+ hours a day at ACL observing, doing intros and working that stream Infeza. Maynarde, Dox, JB, Vanz and all the rest of the ACL crew work just as hard and invest so much time and money that I don't think suggesting people put in a few tweets or posts or bring a friend to share a great experience is a bad thing at all. I think it is just trying to share our passion and love of this game and allow the work of events like ACL to really find it's fruit.
My question is, do we really NEED to grow our scene out there and get more exposure?
We are pretty content where we are at the moment, and over time we will grow with more viewers and players and more money being thrown into the scene, sure tweeting / posting and whatever to get more viewers is fine but IMO don't stress over it.
We have ACL doing amazing, we have Masters Cup every month, we have tournaments roll out every week and even international tournaments where our players play in.
We're not exploding out as fast as many would hope, but we are getting bigger and better, it just takes some time.
If we want quick exposure, we need our players to either head on over to MLG or something like that and take our some big names (take scarlet for example) even inviting players to our events (Koreans or anything). The only problem is that this endevour becomes expensive and only viable or even fee-sable to a few select people.
My question is, do we really NEED to grow our scene out there and get more exposure?
To answer your question bluntly - yes we do.
ACL costs a lot of money to operate and I can guarantee you we don't make anywhere near enough from the entry fees to cover those costs. Without exposure and expansion, we won't attract additional stakeholders. We're fortunate to have organisations like Plantronics and Tt eSports throwing money into these events, because without them, the whole thing would not be possible. 90% of ACL is funded from the wallets of ACL management. I'm not at liberty to go into any further detail, but we are far from sustainable and we have a long way to go before ACL begins to pay for itself.
This is why most events try to piggyback off other events, to avoid paying venue hire fees.
ACL costs a lot of money to operate and I can guarantee you we don't make anywhere near enough from the entry fees to cover those costs. Without exposure and expansion, we won't attract additional stakeholders. We're fortunate to have organisations like Plantronics and Tt eSports throwing money into these events, because without them, the whole thing would not be possible. 90% of ACL is funded from the wallets of ACL management. I'm not at liberty to go into any further detail, but we are far from sustainable and we have a long way to go before ACL begins to pay for itself.
This is why most events try to piggyback off other events, to avoid paying venue hire fees.
This. A nicely elaborated version of my post haha, well said.
Alright, I guess I am in the wrong assuming we are fine
Sorry.
I think perhaps initially try to think of ways to get our tournaments known to the Australian fans. As it has been stated before in the thread, there are plenty of Aussies (SEA even) who don't even know ACL exists. Plenty of people I meet on ladder don't even know Sc2sea is a site, it is really sad.
Should we focus on our own homeland before reaching out to the rest of the world ?
Another thing i'd like to add, maybe a bit contradictory to my last post but hey, you gotta question yourself even : )
For those in the lower leagues who came to ACL and didn't play because they knew they weren't going to go well.
Who cares!
It's double elim, so you'll play 4 games minimum.
The more or the lower leagues that enter, the further you'll get in the tournament too, Just give it a go! It's a **** load of fun even if you do get stomped by a GM, you will learn a lot. A LOT i promise. and you support organisations like ACL.
If you can afford the entry fee, definitely do it!
P.S. Nom's post just reminded me of something I wanted to echo from PiG's original post:
There are so many un-tapped resources. University Facebook groups are one of the biggest ones. But Reddit/TL are severely underestimated. Over the ACL weekend, I posted a thread on Reddit and asked participants/fans/stream viewers to up-vote the thread. It only received ~30 upvotes over the course of the entire weekend, even though we had like 500 people in the stream at the time. This is the sort of stuff we need people actively doing. Don't just think to yourself, "oh, someone else will do it" because every number counts. When you have 50 people retweeting a stream or a bracket link, with several hundred upvoting a thread on Reddit/TL, we may not see the results immediately. But eventually we'll be in the face of the global community so frequently and consistently that we become mainstream content. The effort needs to come from within.
I've said this once or twice before too, but the guys who organise Sydney barcraft... the APL group or whatever. Someone (im not targeting this at dox specifically, just responding to his point) needs to ******* use these guys to promote shit...
They can get 500+ people to a pub in the middle of sydney for an sc2 event. That's half the viewer numbers of our most popular online tournaments, from one city.
On my home from the first day of ACL Sydney, I was stopped by 2 people cause I was wearing my TL shirt and they thought they'd missed a barcraft, and had never heard of this ACL thing I was telling them about.
So yeah, things can definitely be publicised more. I'd love to see the 1000 or so people attending barcrafts just across australia for gsl finals all tuning in to catch an ACL final.
I love the discussion here, and I'm sure with the fine brains and fiery passion of people like Jared, Chadman, Benji, Nirvana n co, the possibility of future growth for SEA is unlimited.
I dream of the day we actually have fans that ogle over Mafia more than some relatively known NA player who probably couldn't keep their pants up to Ninja.
Last edited by nGenLight; Sat, 14th-Jul-2012 at 11:19 AM.
I think it is just trying to share our passion and love of this game and allow the work of events like ACL to really find it's fruit.
I highlighted the word 'game' for a very specific reason. That's all this is. A GAME. A lot of people seem to think that the entire world is interested. The truth is. They aren't. This is in NO WAY an 'I think this thread is shit' post. I'm just saying. The whole world isn't interested.
This leads us to the main point of this post. Who is interested? There are a lot of sites that advertise Starcraft 2, is there not? If the SEA SC2 Scene is to grow, we need to stop beating around the bush and sticking with what we already have. We need to go to people that actually love what we love. SCreddit, teamliquid, twitch.tv, SC2SEA, Blizzard etc. I'm suggesting that before the next ACL (or INSERT OTHER BIG SEA TOURNAMENT HERE) an organiser should send an email to a few of these sites asking for an ad to be placed. Of course we need statistics as to why, but surely it is worth it? If a thread is made on Teamliquid, that is more exposure. Featured Streams on Teamliquid? I'm certain that an admin on TL will make a stream dedicated to SEA tournaments featured. If posts are made on screddit throughout the leadup to the tournament, with spoiler posts and whatnot, it creates hype. Its little things like this that we lack. The international scene knows little to nothing about us. They really have little interest in learning more. We have to prove to them that we are worth watching. We need to make the effort and go to them. Remember, they support what we do, just in a different place. No point trying to convert Aussies, the scene will barely grow.
We have so much going for us, yet people are so short-sighted, because we are from SEA, the small, 'weak' region. The top tier of this server showing their worth in international tournaments is also a brilliant start. But we have to stick it to the rest of the foreigners, and even the koreans, and beat them at their own game if we really want to get somewhere. Mafia making it into Korean GM was a great show for this. His viewers boosted by several hundred in a matter of hours, maybe less. How? SCreddit. Again, we need to advertise more, or find a way to advertise more on the pre-existing SC2 Networks.
ParO
If this didn't make much sense, I apologise. I'm incredibly tired at this stage. If anything requires confirmation, just ask.
The below post is going to be relatively biased towards ACL (mainly due to it been the most recent event)
I found the most recent ACL to be one of the better run tournaments in the AUS scene, I am sure that there are others that would be on par or perhaps better, they just might not have the exposure.
The way that the SC2 section of the ACL is run I cannot fault. Yes I am sure that there will be even more improvement for the next lot of them, but I know that when I watch ACL I am getting something that I would be expecting from the KR/NA/EU scene, this to me I think can only help grow the community. I found myself willing to help out in chat be in providing bracket or game updates when people asked. I wasn't the only one doing this, it made the whole stream chat much more pleasant. Of course there were the people who came to chat to troll, but most of the time they were banned/deleted within a reasonable amount of time.
I was tweeting a few things on the weekend and when I arrived at work on Monday much to my surprise I was asked what ACLPro was, it was good to be able to have a conversation like that with somebody I wasn't expecting as it gave me the pathway to speak about the experience.
I also think the fact that pro teams from other genres are starting to get involved in the SC2 scene is great, not only does it provide additional sponsorship to teams in the SC2 scene but it also opens up their scene to us; I talk about Carnage/MindFreak, etc in this because I would never have known about the Fifa/GoW3/Halo scene without these guys highlighting it through to us.
I think that we should not only be targeting people who play SC2 but gamers on a whole, by doing this we not only get exposure from those of us who enjoy SC2, but we can also bring in the friends/families to our scene.
I know that I don't mind watching Fifa,GoW3 or Halo as I figure it helps them and that can only be a good thing.
As for the sc2sea stuff that was said in the response and later comments, I personally have never noticed this and it may be my league/lack of posts that have stopped me from seeing this I am not sure. SC2sea is where I come for all my SC2 news and if I can't find it here TL or Reddit is where I will go; but this is always my first stop.
Anyway I am out, as that was a relatively long post.
As someone who's loved SC2 since beta but only joined the SEA community 9-ish months ago, and am even now still very much an outsider, allow me to weigh in.
Re: Your petty bullshit:
Just drop it. OK?
You. Yes, you.
All of you.
Just drop it.
The scene is too small,
events need to support each other,
competition is healthy,
respect is fantastic.
Let go of your ego for the greater good - unicorns.
...Wait. Esports.
****.
Seriously.
You look unprofessional.
People with money don't want to deal with unprofessional.
Re: You wanting recognition/love/efame for what you do
You do it for the love.
I'm an outsider, I won't lie. A lot of that is my fault because I'm a stupid shy stupidhead.
But I do what I can for the scene. I have a Twitter which, for some fucked up reason, shitloads of esports people follow, and I pimp out SEA's events like its going out of fashion.
System (it was System, right?) actually called into Live On Three to ask how to grow SEA as a scene, and Sir Scoots mentioned me as someone who he gets information from about SEA, citing me as a reason he knows we have more than just Moonglade.
Did I ******* nerd out because I was mentioned on Live On Three? **** NO. I nerded out because it meant what I was doing, as small and ******* stupid as it is - ie: making 140 characters entertaining enough that people click the link - was working.
I care about the local scene so much and I couldn't give two shits whether you know about how I promote events. It's not about you. It's not about me. If you want fame, go on Australian Idol dressed as a chicken, adgaf.
If I could do what little insignificant shit I do, anonymously, I would do it.
None of it's about me - you all work so hard and you're so ******* talented as players/casters/tournament organisers/EVERYTHING, I feel like I could never possibly do enough to help.
I've been in and around esports in Australia to varying degrees for 10 years and I've seen too much fail because of stupid ego bullshit.
Drawing In The Viewers
So some of the most famous SC2 players around the world are not necessarily the "best". They're people that people enjoy watching, can relate to, or find entertaining in some other fashion.
The SEA scene is so underdeveloped that we don't even have those personalities yet - the InControls, the Grubbys, the Idras (tgun? srym8ily), the Huks. It's not about people who pull consistent tournament wins, it's about marketability and entertainment value.
Here's the catch though, right - from what I've seen and experienced, all top SEA players can be marketed. I think we're so lucky in that the top 20~ish players on SEA have such wonderful, diverse personalities. If international viewers had a chance to "meet" you, they'd always come back for more. I'm hoping (so hard) that WCS is what you guys need to be exposed to an international audience.
I have my own ideas on how to do this, and I'm going to call on every mate I have who has any influence to promote the shit out of SC2WCS Australia and beyond.
I've been ridiculed by people on this site, in the SEA community, for coming from being more focused on the NA scene. Yeah, well, **** ya. SEA is not big enough, in terms of relative SC2 playing/watching population, to be self-sufficient at the level we want to see without international recognition.
If you need ego trips or need to feel good about yourself or important
go do it somewhere else.
Hokay?
Work out where in your life is lacking dat feeling and fix it.
Don't use this as your ego trip.
Be here because you love it
and the success of it - not YOU,
IT -
would be reward enough.
ps. it's late + wine.
pps. "Saddle Up" is not an alienating statement - I tweeted it with no context during ACL and a whole heap of people who have no idea what TSC is retweeted it. It's become bigger than itself. (Please don't say we can't say saddle up T_T)
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We are The Saddle Club.
We are legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Expect us...
Last edited by Sunset; Sat, 14th-Jul-2012 at 1:26 AM.
Reason: I good at English.
They can get 500+ people to a pub in the middle of sydney for an sc2 event. That's half the viewer numbers of our most popular online tournaments, from one city.
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