please don't compare zanooku's wanton racism and complete and utter lack of intelligence to TA.
you should already know by now that even the people you dislike in TA are capable of holding a reasonable, level-headed discussion; what you said about JP is proof enough.
not going to go into this any further, just don't want people to mistakenly associate the scum of the earth(tm) with TA.
I really dont understand why a tournament that has been so anticipating ended in 2 of our best players getting banned from it. I didnt read the whole thing, but AFAIK ppl from both sides really want this CL to work out.
I agree with Light about the drama thread part. it IS very entertaining sometimes. But when the tournament was almost canceled. personal insults are throw and 2 of our best players are banned, its not so funny anymore.
Despite ur reasons, maybe it`ll be good to drop our ego for once and be a little more compromising for something that everyone has been looking forward to for a long time.
Wow, this really spiralled out of control didn't it.
I've been involved in many highly competitive small communities in my time. Not online communities, RL communities. I have watched this kind of behaviour completely destroy them from the inside. Every time the drama ensued one or 2 more people would drop off the radar never to be seen again, until there was almost noone left.
The only way small communities like these keep their shit together is by cooperation and mutual respect. If you don't have mutual respect or the ability to cooperate then just **** off now, because you are far more trouble than you are worth to anything and everything that is trying to be achieved here.
There are a lot of people who read this forum and don't participate directly in discussion. Every time they read a 9 page bitchfest the community becomes less and less appealing to these borderline players. This is not the responsibility of admins, mods or anyone else, it's the responsibility of every single person who expresses their opinion in one of these threads.
If you want to be a jerk take it to PM's. If you disagree with an argument, constructively explain why and offer an alternative, or shut ur mouth.
I re-created an account to say that arguing over the internet is for retards.
But also a few thoughts:
SC2SEA Team: Every1 is truly appreciative of this site as a platform to connect with others, nerds can be mean, but we never overlook the effort and great work that is done.
On the other hand, talking about viewers and sponsorship is bordering on laughable. "Sponsorship" is a filthy dirty word if you are talking about money making. Sponsorship is nothing more than a donation, its like sponsoring a starving child, it doesn't generate any revenue, but its a great thing to do. Honestly the coin that companies' sponsor/donate or whatever is such a piss in the ocean compared to their overall operations. If you actually believe that the sponsorship of our teams and events are an important aspect of their marketing strategy or have significant impact on their sales you are on crack, seriously you are deluding yourself into thinking your part of something big.
If having the best SEA players gets say an extra 400 viewers, you could roughly estimate it that 200 of these viewers are unlikely to be a target audience for a company, whether they are too young, don't have any money, don't wear Ultra thin tampons or whatever the bullshit adds are pitching. So u r left with 200 possible viewers, who 100 probably have add-blockers. The numbers left over are probably spending the adds beating off to a well endowed midget feeding a length to a double D German porn goddess called Elke. None of this is measurable and with such small numbers, it doesn't mean shit in terms of marketing.
I never saw any of these problems happen in BW, it was about the game and how it would be the most fun. Streams, sponsors, pro teams and all this other shit barely existed, and it was way better imo. Just because a few people worldwide r making a living off SC2 doesn't mean that potentially great tourneys and comps have to cause so much controversy over the sake over a few viewers who in the end are completely in-*******-significant.
This thread has run its course and will now be closed. Thank you everyone for your comments.
We somehow at the end still managed to sift through all the hate and bitching and come out with an improved format that the majority of the people will enjoy. Coming up with a good format is very important as we were setting the precedent for the future SEACL's as well, not just this season. As to the silent majority - thank you to some of you for stepping out and making your voice heard.
In the future I hope other discussion can be done without participation of the few that made this such an unpleasant experience, or if they are do are able to just voice their concerns in a civil manner. After all it was all about making a better format, and thats what we achieved with this thread, despite all the negativity and name calling and it would just been so much better without it.
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