Put your money where your mouth is, you want to say that you can "own" me, $50 bo9. Don't pull the whole "hurr $50 is nothing, let's play for $5k" bullshit. We can play for nothing for all I care. Accept or back down and concede that I'm better than you.
I must say this thread did bring out a few good laughs. I particularly enjoyed EvilSWATs attempt to make a clever joke. After I read his **** this shit it actually made laugh
However, I will not be accepting such call outs ever. Nirvana already mentioned that I love bets, which is 100% true. I will take on any _fun_ challenge at any time, even for very large amounts. What Tgun did here is simply not in good spirits at all.
To give a little summary: He beat me twice or maybe even three times on the ladder and then I won the next three or four times in a row. The very first time I dropped mules after he refused to leave, which I always see on GSL and I don't actually see the harm in it(though I do agree now that it is debatable), he rage quit right after. We talked about my manner mules post game and he explained it was bad manner and the reason for his rage quit. I let him know that my manner mules weren't intended to humiliate him and that was that. Then we met again today on the ladder and it went GL HF from both sides. I was planning on doing a 11-11 proxy rax on his third on Korhal, but his overlord pathing was somewhat strange and it spotted the first rax going down quite fast. I decided to skip the second rax and go for a somewhat unorthodox 1 rax expansion. The 1 rax actually ended up taking down his natural to my surprise and after that I simply won the game( all the while I was watching MC vs Genius cuz I had a significant bet riding on it). I had the game won very early on, but took a while to finish. When he finally gave up he rage quit again without my manner mules, so I simply messaged him GG!
Then he told me im a cheesy ****** and to stfu and then he ignored me. Fair enough. Two games later I meet him again and he's protoss. I simply 1-1-1 him, cuz that's what I do to people I want to rape, and expanded to his natural and then he calls me a ******* asshole once again. I didnt reply at all that game, even though he insulted me a random number of times. He finally left saying I sucked badly and that I would never beat him ever. Which is kinda ironic since I just did... three times. He goes on by throwing random insults to my face which I reply to in a fun way by slighting jabbing at him. As a result he is tilted so much that he feels the need to create this thread, probably knowing perfectly well that I'd not accept.
I have very little respect for players that show pure immature rage and I do not see any reason to accept your challenge. If Tgun showed me some class and made this challenge as a jest or as a fair competitor I would gladly accept. Since he made this trying to prove his ego to whomever he feels it's necessary I have no desire to oblige him. I am not someone who thinks he is the very best as opposed to some players like SenSei or apparently Tgun. I know my place quite well and there are a multitude of better players than I. I will also never be the best player, not even if I tried my utmost. I simply enjoy this game a lot and I love to compete and sometimes I get decent results.
Noteworthy is that he said YOU AND ME BO9 50$ GO! and then ignored me on b.net, so I couldn't even reply. I'm quite sure that by tomorrow when he reads this he will feel somewhat silly.
Sorry to all who wanted to see a grudgematch going down. I definitely hope I can oblige you in the future with a showmatch between me and a higher caliber player
Last edited by Strafe; Fri, 17th-Feb-2012 at 6:35 AM.
Tbh great post by Strafe(re: not doing grudgematches) and pretty much the reason I try to steer clear of grudge matches too. Although I find it hard to believe some of it wasn't at least somewhat bias :P.
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I am not someone who thinks he is the very best as opposed to some players like SenSei
I had the game won very early on, but took a while to finish. When he finally gave up he rage quit again without my manner mules, so I simply messaged him GG!
Dude. You don't msg "gg" after someone rage quits. Think deeply to yourself what your really trying to say. Are you REALLY trying to say GOOD GAME? Rage quit is not even close to being as BM as msging "gg" after your opponent rage quits. You can tell your opponent is frustrated, you don't need to rub it in their face.
Dude. You don't msg "gg" after someone rage quits. Think deeply to yourself what your really trying to say. Are you REALLY trying to say GOOD GAME? Rage quit is not even close to being as BM as msging "gg" after your opponent rage quits. You can tell your opponent is frustrated, you don't need to rub it in their face.
You're way too manner, if someone doesn't gg me, i needle the shit out of them. Usually with a "chin up slugga" or the classic, messaging them "gg" afterwards.
Only difference is it's proposed by someone with a reason to want to beat you...
if he really won't accept tgun challenging him to a grudge match for calling him bad, then I'll sponsor a showmatch between tgun and strafe to let them sort it out, since we're apparently fine with that.
Only difference is it's proposed by someone with a reason to want to beat you...
if he really won't accept tgun challenging him to a grudge match for calling him bad, then I'll sponsor a showmatch between tgun and strafe to let them sort it out, since we're apparently fine with that.
I think you're still missing the whole point of his post - he has nothing to prove and doesn't really care.
BM get's thrown around the upper level of ladder all the time after games, half of it is from big ego's, half is from people trying to needle people who are clearly annoyed they lost to you for the fun of it. This is the first case where I've seen random ladder BM (which it looks like both cases were involved in tbh), brought to a forum.
Don't get me wrong, I understand both sides of it, Tgun is clearly annoyed that strafe decided to needle him after he lost to him, which was a consequence of tgun leaving without GGing. Obviously this built up over a couple of games, and managed to piss tgun off enough that he's decided to "call out" strafe publicly (which again, I've literally never seen happen over random ladder BM, lol), to which strafe's basic reaction was "lol" (hence his rep comment before he posted).
The thread managed to get big enough that Strafe decided he should at least give his recap of what the hell led to this post (which I still think is probably awfully biased, but we will never know). And him replying with his belief that 'grudge matches' are for people with e-peens so large that they feel like slapping them together till one goes limp. He doesn't care if people think Tgun is better than him, and in his post he tries to make it as obvious as possible what he thinks of people whose egos are far too big for their own good, and that he tries to keep his as small as possible.
My basic understanding of events:
1) tgun and strafe ladder a bunch of times, BM each other in the most standard of standard ways you'd see almost every day on ladder.
2) Tgun gets fairly mad and makes a forum post calling out strafe
3) Strafe responds saying he's not interested in grudge matches.
And his last line about saying he would gladly play a showmatch with anyone better, is him saying he doesn't hate the idea of showmatches, and would love a showmatch with someone where both players are going into it just for the fun of play a bo9 with another good player where the community gets to enjoy good games. But under the circumstances tgun proposed this it's more of a "I HATE YOU I WANT TO BEAT YOU SO EVERYONE KNOWS IM BETTER THAN YOU!" style of thing. And his line about "anyone better" is just him needling tgun some more because he can.
And my opinion is that people should lay off the needling others unless they want to deal with the consequences. If anyone wants to claim they are better than someone else (even just to needle them) they should be willing to man up and play a legit series against them, money or no money.
Claiming to be 'above' such things, but not above BM and just childishly trolling them in general is not cool in my books.
And my opinion is that people should lay off the needling others unless they want to deal with the consequences. If anyone wants to claim they are better than someone else (even just to needle them) they should be willing to man up and play a legit series against them, money or no money.
Claiming to be 'above' such things, but not above BM and just childishly trolling them in general is not cool in my books.
In that case you guys at sc2sea might wanna hold off on the tournaments for a few months because pretty much everyone in the top 200 has about 150 grudge matches to settle first.
grudge matches should involve playing off races to prove who is really better. Then follow it up with a game of chess, and a couple of rounds of FFA MMA (chairs allowed)
ima call out that **** Revenant, he be typing bad shit to me and shit and not recognising me as a better player and i get butthurt cause i get butthurt.
I must say this thread did bring out a few good laughs. I particularly enjoyed EvilSWATs attempt to make a clever joke. After I read his **** this shit it actually made laugh
(...)
Sorry to all who wanted to see a grudgematch going down. I definitely hope I can oblige you in the future with a showmatch between me and a higher caliber player
Why we never see such things on stream ? You guys have a tendency to behave like kids but those stories are really entertaining. I like reading them.
ima call out that **** Revenant, he be typing bad shit to me and shit and not recognising me as a better player and i get butthurt cause i get butthurt.
250$ showmatch incoming.
You guys have a very close relationship.
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The Chad is great!
I have very little respect for players that show pure immature rage and I do not see any reason to accept your challenge. If Tgun showed me some class and made this challenge as a jest or as a fair competitor I would gladly accept. Since he made this trying to prove his ego to whomever he feels it's necessary I have no desire to oblige him. I am not someone who thinks he is the very best as opposed to some players like SenSei or apparently Tgun. I know my place quite well and there are a multitude of better players than I. I will also never be the best player, not even if I tried my utmost. I simply enjoy this game a lot and I love to compete and sometimes I get decent results.
Too far
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The Chad is great!
right now I feel like we are seeing tgun at his "I don't lose to this guy" eogtistical side, and from personal experience Strafe isn't one to be pushed around either.
who cares about manner, if you don't like each other no need to gg, go ahead manner mule dance ling.
right now I feel like we are seeing tgun at his "I don't lose to this guy" eogtistical side, and from personal experience Strafe isn't one to be pushed around either.
who cares about manner, if you don't like each other no need to gg, go ahead manner mule dance ling.
What Tgun did here is simply not in good spirits at all.
Really? What a surprise.
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To give a little summary: He beat me twice or maybe even three times on the ladder and then I won the next three or four times in a row. The very first time I dropped mules after he refused to leave, which I always see on GSL and I don't actually see the harm in it(though I do agree now that it is debatable),
I love the defense that "The Koreans do it, so it can't be bm!". How is dropping mules / dancing marines / etc, essentially saying "get out" not bad mannered?
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he rage quit right after.
Rage-quitting and not gging are two different things.
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We talked about my manner mules post game and he explained it was bad manner and the reason for his rage quit. I let him know that my manner mules weren't intended to humiliate him and that was that. Then we met again today on the ladder and it went GL HF from both sides. I was planning on doing a 11-11 proxy rax on his third on Korhal, but his overlord pathing was somewhat strange and it spotted the first rax going down quite fast. I decided to skip the second rax and go for a somewhat unorthodox 1 rax expansion. The 1 rax actually ended up taking down his natural to my surprise and after that I simply won the game( all the while I was watching MC vs Genius cuz I had a significant bet riding on it). I had the game won very early on, but took a while to finish. When he finally gave up he rage quit again without my manner mules, so I simply messaged him GG!
Solid attempt at a concealed brag (Omg, I beat him while paying little attention!) and still dodging the match attempt.
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Then he told me im a cheesy ****** and to stfu and then he ignored me. Fair enough. Two games later I meet him again and he's protoss. I simply 1-1-1 him, cuz that's what I do to people I want to rape, and expanded to his natural and then he calls me a ******* asshole once again. I didnt reply at all that game, even though he insulted me a random number of times. He finally left saying I sucked badly and that I would never beat him ever. Which is kinda ironic since I just did... three times. He goes on by throwing random insults to my face which I reply to in a fun way by slighting jabbing at him. As a result he is tilted so much that he feels the need to create this thread, probably knowing perfectly well that I'd not accept.
No, you tried to dodge by saying "$50 is nothing, why not do $5k?" When you very well known that $5k is way out of my reach. If I could get anyone to stake it I'd take this in a heartbeat, because there's honestly, very little (to no) chance of me losing to y ou, but you don't risk that much when your actual bankroll isn't that much. I'm fine doing it for nothing. You wanted to call me bad, say that you can "troll noobs like me" and then when called on it you backpedal and say "LOL I TROL U". Nice.
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I have very little respect for players that show pure immature rage and I do not see any reason to accept your challenge. If Tgun showed me some class and made this challenge as a jest or as a fair competitor I would gladly accept. Since he made this trying to prove his ego to whomever he feels it's necessary I have no desire to oblige him. I am not someone who thinks he is the very best as opposed to some players like SenSei or apparently Tgun. I know my place quite well and there are a multitude of better players than I. I will also never be the best player, not even if I tried my utmost. I simply enjoy this game a lot and I love to compete and sometimes I get decent results.
I couldn't give less of a damn if you respect me, if you're going to shit-talk, back it up.
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Noteworthy is that he said YOU AND ME BO9 50$ GO! and then ignored me on b.net, so I couldn't even reply. I'm quite sure that by tomorrow when he reads this he will feel somewhat silly.
Sorry to all who wanted to see a grudgematch going down. I definitely hope I can oblige you in the future with a showmatch between me and a higher caliber player
Nope, I left you unblocked while you were just stating how you're better than me, then I got sick of you and blocked you knowing you frequent this site. Nice attempt at dodging while trying to remain a feeling of superiority.
Last edited by iM tgun; Fri, 17th-Feb-2012 at 1:49 PM.
I don't see any failed quotes, anywhere. Nope. They never happened. Ever.
Edit: He also tries to say that he's positive against me, when I have SC2Gears saying that I'm either 3-3 or 5-1 against him, depending on which replay source I open.
Yea obviously Strafe's PoV is somewhat biased but it at least shows his side of the story which we never knew before! Disappointed that there is no match (Boo!!) but Strafe was polite and declined as respectively as possible and I really liked his post! You guys might not believe it but its not about money to strafe its about principal and he LOVES making bets (he had 15k riding on MC vs Genius) Although to add to that imo Tgun is definitely at least top 5 whole of SEA so theres at the very most just 4 more "higher caliber" players than him Strafe!
Yea obviously Strafe's PoV is somewhat biased but it at least shows his side of the story which we never knew before! Disappointed that there is no match (Boo!!) but Strafe was polite and declined as respectively as possible.
Better players in no particular order are:
- Inf
- Moonglade
- YoonYJ
- Pig
- Enderr
- Westley
- iceiceice
- RedArchon
- TArossi
- aGsChobo
- BalloonSPR Still a lot better, but Korean so doesn't count
- Pokerface
- Mafia
- Yekke
- Jazbas
- Iaguz
- Edge Originally Pinder was on this spot, but Edge got jelly he wasn't on the list regardless of the disclaimer.
- Deth
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- TAChadMan
And so on. I still left out many names, so don't be upset if you aren't mentioned.
Pinder is right. I needled Tgun in my post a few more times. It might be bad manner, so my post was definitely not as polite as can be, but I did try to explain the situation and my point of view as clearly as possible without restriction myself to a few more jabs at tguns expense. I randomly threw Sensei in there as I consider him one of the worst sports out there, but he thinks he has the biggest dick ever. I rarely see anyone that arrogant fail that hard. Yet he gets a ton of respect so I thought I'd compare it to tgun. Maybe that wasn't very nice of me either, but I'm far from a saint.
I dodged you tgun! Sorry. Do you want me to upload the 3 replays I have of me crushing you now, so that you cannot go on claiming the record is 5-1. Which btw is a hilarious stat to post considering you lost twice in a row on stream in front of all the 7 people watching you.
Last edited by Strafe; Fri, 17th-Feb-2012 at 7:00 PM.
Better players in no particular order are:
- Inf
- Moonglade
- YoonYJ
- Pig
- Enderr
- Westley
- iceiceice
- RedArchon
- TArossi
- aGsChobo
- BalloonSPR Still a lot better, but Korean so doesn't count
- Pokerface
- Mafia
- Yekke
- Jazbas
- Iaguz
- Edge Originally Pinder was on this spot, but Edge got jelly he wasn't on the list regardless of the disclaimer.
- Deth
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- TAChadMan
And so on. I still left out many names, so don't be upset if you aren't mentioned.
Solid effort to troll here kid
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Pinder is right. I needled Tgun in my post a few more times. It might be bad manner, so my post was definitely not as polite as can be, but I did try to explain the situation and my point of view as clearly as possible without restriction myself to a few more jabs at tguns expense. I randomly threw Sensei in there as I consider him one of the worst sports out there, but he thinks he has the biggest dick ever. I rarely see anyone that arrogant fail that hard. Yet he gets a ton of respect so I thought I'd compare it to tgun. Maybe that wasn't very nice of me either, but I'm far from a saint.
Just want to point out I don't care about manner.
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I dodged you tgun! Sorry. Do you want me to upload the 3 replays I have of me crushing you now, so that you cannot go on claiming the record is 5-1. Which btw is a hilarious stat to post considering you lost twice in a row on stream in front of all the 7 people watching you.
Like I said, I have two folders, one saying 5-1 and one saying 3-3. Combined, that is 8-4. I thought you were good at poker; doesn't that mean you're good at math?
Better players in no particular order are:
- Inf
- Moonglade
- YoonYJ
- Pig
- Enderr
- Westley
- iceiceice
- RedArchon
- TArossi
- aGsChobo
- BalloonSPR Still a lot better, but Korean so doesn't count
- Pokerface
- Mafia
- Yekke
- Jazbas
- Iaguz
- Edge Originally Pinder was on this spot, but Edge got jelly he wasn't on the list regardless of the disclaimer.
- Deth
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- TAChadMan
And so on. I still left out many names, so don't be upset if you aren't mentioned.
Pinder is right. I needled Tgun in my post a few more times. It might be bad manner, so my post was definitely not as polite as can be, but I did try to explain the situation and my point of view as clearly as possible without restriction myself to a few more jabs at tguns expense. I randomly threw Sensei in there as I consider him one of the worst sports out there, but he thinks he has the biggest dick ever. I rarely see anyone that arrogant fail that hard. Yet he gets a ton of respect so I thought I'd compare it to tgun. Maybe that wasn't very nice of me either, but I'm far from a saint.
I dodged you tgun! Sorry. Do you want me to upload the 3 replays I have of me crushing you now, so that you cannot go on claiming the record is 5-1. Which btw is a hilarious stat to post considering you lost twice in a row on stream in front of all the 7 people watching you.
You're saying you've never danced your lings tgun?
I dance my lings like, super early game when they're just sitting idle, but I don't dance them to poke fun at anyone. I've done it to people I consider pretty good friends, and I've done it to people who've bmed me, but not out of spite to someone who "wouldn't leave"
this is getting ridiculous. you are acting like they just slept with your daughter when in reality manner muling/dancing/pre gg/no gg is the tamest of tame when it comes to "bm" to even think that its extremely offensive or very bad mannered is ludicrous. can we all get a reality check please?
this is getting ridiculous. you are acting like they just slept with your daughter when in reality manner muling/dancing/pre gg/no gg is the tamest of tame when it comes to "bm" to even think that its extremely offensive or very bad mannered is ludicrous. can we all get a reality check please?
this applies 10 fold on ladder...
You just accepted that it's bm, and yet, you're still trying to tell me it's wrong to call bm, bm?
Like, really? You're an idiot mate. I never said it was extremely bm: I just said it was bm, and that if you don't think so, you're an idiot. It doesn't matter _how_ bm it is. It's like talking to a damn brick wall.
You just accepted that it's bm, and yet, you're still trying to tell me it's wrong to call bm, bm?
Like, really? You're an idiot mate. I never said it was extremely bm: I just said it was bm, and that if you don't think so, you're an idiot. It doesn't matter _how_ bm it is. It's like talking to a damn brick wall.
tgun just ignore him, this guy constantly trolls and tries to stir the pot,
p.s. dont insult brick walls
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tgun just ignore him, this guy constantly trolls and tries to stir the pot,
p.s. dont insult brick walls
Dude from my understanding all he's saying is that we shouldn't take BM so seriously. If everyone made a thread after being BM'd then we'd have a billion threads.... How is he trolling and stirring the pot? The pot was stirred when tgun made the thread, when people egged the two players to play each other, and when other names were thrown into the argument.
Wow.. best typo ever.. CLAM DOWN MOTHER F******!.....
But really.. BM doesn't mean much - sticks and stones yo... This is the kinda stuff we all learnt to deal with in primary school.. names and silly keyboard warrior crap. What does it matter? lets all just build a bridge!
Dude from my understanding all he's saying is that we shouldn't take BM so seriously. If everyone made a thread after being BM'd then we'd have a billion threads.... How is he trolling and stirring the pot? The pot was stirred when tgun made the thread, when people egged the two players to play each other, and when other names were thrown into the argument.
Im not going to go through all the threads ive seen him do this but I can think of 3 threads in the last 1-2 weeks where he has aimed insults at somebody to try and spark life back into topic
go back and look at the posts has simon made in this thread, most add nothing to the topic and were purely and simply insults directed towards tgun,
I respect that you stick up for your friends/clan mates, just as Im sticking up for mine
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Last edited by ToR.Arnor; Sat, 18th-Feb-2012 at 7:56 PM.
Im not going to go through all the threads ive seen him do this but I can think of 3 threads in the last 1-2 weeks where his aimed an insulst at somebody to try and spark life back into topic
go back and look at the posts has simon made in this thread, most add nothing to the topic and were purely and simply insults directed towards tgun,
I respect that you stick up for your friends/clan mates, just as Im sticking up for mine
Eh, this whole thing is just ******* stupid. You can't really hold it against someone for posting something ******* stupid in a thread which has already established itself as ******* stupid.
Admittedly, the idea of tgun calling someone else at for being bm is kinda funny. I remember hearing about just how great my race was at the Adelaide LAN (to be fair, my race is fairly strong).
Eh, this whole thing is just ******* stupid. You can't really hold it against someone for posting something ******* stupid in a thread which has already established itself as ******* stupid.
Admittedly, the idea of tgun calling someone else at for being bm is kinda funny. I remember hearing about just how great my race was at the Adelaide LAN (to be fair, my race is fairly strong).
Difference is, I'll openly admit to my bm and readily back up what I say, I don't care if people are bm, but if you want to say you're better than me, better back it up.
I don't want to antagonize things, but Rev and Yang just claimed to be a lot better than you. Are you going to take that?
Didn't claim they were better than me, they were cut from you leaving them out of your cool kids club list. They've also never overly talked shit to, or about me, and I have a hell of a lot more respect for them than you.
Timber: Being nice/respectable on the forums, but not in the games doesn't make us fake. It just makes us not severely pissed off/frustrated after a loss.
If someone can anger me as much on the forums as in ladder games, you betcha me and beard won't appear very nice.
No one is trying to pretend to be a good guy. I find showing emotions to be absolutely fine, although could be avoidable. Just remember to apologize when you are calm and realise your anger was irrational.
I've been a **** to you in ladder games but I made sure at the end of it all, when I was calm, to apologize to you. I'm sure one day when Beard stops being angry for being so hairy he would too .
Complete off-topic mode off.
Last edited by nGenLight; Sat, 18th-Feb-2012 at 9:45 PM.
Just putting this out there.. and maybe after a few drinks.. but.. pretty sure.. I'm better than tgun..
why don't we have a show match Mr tgun?.. everyone wants one after all.. I'll oblige you.
COME AT ME BRO!?
I think personally its bad mannered to not leave a game when you've clearly lost, and any taunting from the opposing player is acceptable.
Tgun I think you're a better player than him, strafe knows it, why do you think he took the opportunity to stick it in your face that he beat you a few times?
Just putting this out there.. and maybe after a few drinks.. but.. pretty sure.. I'm better than tgun..
why don't we have a show match Mr tgun?.. everyone wants one after all.. I'll oblige you.
COME AT ME BRO!?
But really, lets just get over it..
I challenge you to a $8 show match after 10 shots, all in the space of 5 mins and on camera so no cheats. Pussy lets go.
I just want to add that apart from not have the best of what i will classify "battle.net manner", when it comes down to the important matters tgun is a gentleman. He refuses to take walkover wins and is always is willing to inconvenience himself to postpone / reschedule the match on behalf of the other player.
it happened vs pig when he pig couldn't make the ace match 2 week ago and even now, against his "rival" strafe where many bitter words were exchanged between the two - and strafe who suddenly wasn't able to play, tgun gladly postponed the match. much respect to tgun for that and yea i'm really looking forward to the match up!!!!!
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