[|Erasmus|]

The assumption that rep is not modded is because people see a stupid post get an infraction stamp, but there's nothing to suggest a rep comment has suffered the same fate. People would probably be less likely to overreact to something way out of line if they could see that it had been dealt with by the admins...

[nirvAnA]

Originally Posted by Acies

Is it possible to make neg rep anonymous to prevent retaliatory behaviour?

this is possible but its open to abuse since the same pple can always be down repping the same person they dislike over minor stuff and the community will think its the general perception of the community.

[Mayo]

There is a cool system at GameTech that could possibly be ustalized here?


They have a system where tyou can 'like' a post which shows up as "*usernames* like this".

You can also give positive or negative reputation which only the member sees in their control panel (You must leave a comment for neg rep) but the number shows up on their mini profile when they post.

100 rep points = 1 rep
So when you + or - rep someone and you have for example 800 points, you give or remove 8 rep from them.

You get 1 rep for your first 50 posts and from then on in, it's user made only.


Example is my profile on GameTech: http://www.gtesports.com.au/communit...html#post50254
I have one like on that post and you can see I have 1 rep.

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nirvAnA:

[Jaywalk]

imo:

disconnect the link between the rep system and a persons account and change the name of the system.

so you can see if a post has likes and dislikes to gauge general community response, but the person has nothing to be offended about, as the dislikes wont follow them around pinned to their account.

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nirvAnA:

[ThatGuyDoMo]

In my experience of forums with a rep system, I always found people would tend to post for the sake of the +rep. I'm not saying this is everyone or even a majority, but it is present.

Personally I don't think it bothers me at all, the rep system is fine most of the time but it doesn't really add anything to the forum / community. People should not have rep on their minds when posting, they should be motivated purely by their desire to contribute.

So I guess I'm saying remove it, but either way it doesn't bother me

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iVnStinger:

Always being a manner man....

[Asrathiel]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Its an easier way to express with a simple frowny than making a long post thats far too much effort.

I think that if someone really wants to show someone that they disagree with them, then they should go to the effort of posting, and if they can't be bothered, then it seems to me that they don't care enough about the issue, so they should just ignore it...

On the other hand, if you do agree with someone, or think their post is funny or whatever, then the positive rep (or likes or whatever) is an easy way to say that without having a heap of posts all saying, for example, 'Hahahaha that's so funny'. In other words it's a way to let someone know you liked what they posted without clogging the thread up ^_^

I like it how it is with the 'likes', but the 'neutral' idea might work too.

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	nirvAnA:
	mGGSouth:

[Jaywalk]

+ [asraths post] +

Originally Posted by Asrathiel

I think that if someone really wants to show someone that they disagree with them, then they should go to the effort of posting, and if they can't be bothered, then it seems to me that they don't care enough about the issue, so they should just ignore it...

On the other hand, if you do agree with someone, or think their post is funny or whatever, then the positive rep (or likes or whatever) is an easy way to say that without having a heap of posts all saying, for example, 'Hahahaha that's so funny'. In other words it's a way to let someone know you liked what they posted without clogging the thread up ^_^

I like it how it is with the 'likes', but the 'neutral' idea might work too.

i agree with the part that the system is a good way to show you like something without clogging up a thread.

[Bash]

Maybe Add "Neutral comments" , and put neg-rep back, and see how it goes, i reckon having neutral comments would clear up alot of the neg-rep anyway, as people can comment constructively without the need to negrep, but can still do so if they feel the need.


But ask- if you put neg rep back, will you have the problem again?
If you leave it out, will you have the problem?
And in 2 years time, will people be asking admins "Man i wish this site had a simple, convenient way for me to say "this post is shit" in 150 characters or less"...?

[Dox]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

there's nothing to suggest a rep comment has suffered the same fate.

deth would like a word with you

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	syfChadMann:	lol
	Maynarde:	Good ol moderated neg rep

[mGGDrGooSe]

The main advantage of the rep system for me is the commenting. Like and dislikes such as on FB is useless and will just encourage laziness IMO. I find it very worthwhile to be able to place a comment on a post, because I dont want to waste screen space with a single line comment followed by several lines' worth of white space in the post. Also I look at the length of some threads and immediately Tl;DR if its more than a few pages and just doesn't look worthy of paying attention too.

Having a positive and neutral rep system with comments is the most efficient and useful IMO. Besides, why let the abusers win by getting rid of the system? If people are generally confused about the purpose of neg rep (and you want to keep it) then can we code a confirmation box that details what neg rep should and shouldn't be used for? That way abusers can be dealt with in immediate and severe terms without cause for complaint.

[NOM]

i think that there should be positive negative and neutral. but comments are hidden like spoilers so they don't flood the forums.

[Flamga]

Still think having both neg and positive rep is good, even having neutral would be awesome. If not just to stop pointless comments, or small comments from cropping up. and those that end up abusing it can just have their rep power taken?

[TAScarecrow]

I guess you do need some sort of comment system, each post takes up so much space compared to TL. It's either that or ditch the massive avatars, awards and signatures

[syfMiley]

I don't mind

[dippa]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

It was brought to my attention that the negative reputation was harming the community.

don't agree with this point; i think the real harm was how some people reacted to neg comments as something of substance rather than what they are - throw-away one-liners - and then it began to derail threads which actually created division and hate.

neg rep can be used to exercise one's wit and it's a far better mechanic for keeping away poorly thought out posts/threads than the current system. because you can only positively rep something, the only way to bring something to light is to post in the thread, which could be counter-productive if it leads more people to read the thread/post in the first place (when it really should be shut down into the seventh circle of hell).

[nirvAnA]

Originally Posted by TAScarecrow

I guess you do need some sort of comment system, each post takes up so much space compared to TL. It's either that or ditch the massive avatars, awards and signatures

I don't like all the white space too, there is probably a way to reduce the post length, just haven't figured out yet. Maybe smaller avatars and rewards/achievements go under another column displayed on the right of the post. am always looking to improve the user interface if anyone wants to do some mockups of what it could look like go ahead another option would be to paginate the achievements

And looking at flamga's signature above, i definetely need to put a limit on that lol it should be a short and simple one line thing like tl, i never changed anything from the default settings yet.

btw when click on "submit reply" it previews all the other previous replies below without the avatars and it looks veryyyyyyyyyy plain, have a look

[SLCN.Kez]

I really liked the negative rep system. And my list of who has neg repped me and thus who I have to kill at LAN will entirely go to waste!

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	PiG:	hehe
	Mayo:

[Flamga]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

I don't like all the white space too, there is probably a way to reduce the post length, just haven't figured out yet. Maybe smaller avatars and rewards/achievements go under another column displayed on the right of the post. am always looking to improve the user interface if anyone wants to do some mockups of what it could look like go ahead another option would be to paginate the achievements

And looking at flamga's signature above, i definetely need to put a limit on that lol it should be a short and simple one line thing like tl, i never changed anything from the default settings yet.

btw when click on "submit reply" it previews all the other previous replies below without the avatars and it looks veryyyyyyyyyy plain, have a look

I can reduce it if needed, just put that in there because we have the ability to. Although I dont like just having one line though sorta makes the sig pointless :/ but then again thats a different thing entirely

[NvPinder]

Positive rep serves a good purpose, its a way of saying "good post"/"+1"/"I agree" without having to do a full post, and also for supporting good contributors to the site and all that kind of thing. I honestly think positive rep system is great. No one likes seeing 1 line "Good post +1" posts, but at the same time its great to have a way to say that without just spamming the crap out of the page.

Negative rep however is the dumbest system in the world. It literally gives you the option of saying "your post is shit" without giving any valid reason and or legitimate arguments as to why, and no real way to reply to the negative rep either without just randomly negative repping back (abuse of which the site's head admin is literally the most liberal abuser of, despite complaining about everyone elses "abuse" of the system).

For example, rather than neg rep, imagine the comments in neg rep as posts which start with "You post sucks, -one line reason which is often personally insulting-". There's no WAY any posts like this would EVER be allowed on any forum, they're non-contributing and don't add ANYTHING to ANY discussion, it's just a way of saying "you're a dickhead" and the system 100% promotes you doing it (except of course to certain people, lol). There's no other purpose for it other than to say "Your posts sucks" in like 20 characters.

If someone disagrees with you/your post or whatever, they should have to come up with and put down in words a decent reason so as to have a discussion on the topic. The neg rep system promotes the opposite in a way more hostile way and has led to some of, if not the most heated arguments/situations where girly community members get upset we've had on this site from the beginning.

edit: I don't understand why people are promoting this idea of "you should be able to comment on a thread without making a full post". That is literally just promoting poor posting quality and dragging down the site as a whole. If you call it "neutral" rather than "negative" it changes absolutely nothing. There should really ONLY be positive as a way to reinforce good posts without spamming up the forums, anything else and you should have to have a decent argument, not just say "no i disagree" in a comment without any thought out response. Giving the ability to downrep without comments more or less does the same thing but even worse. I just get a "Your post is shit" with no reason as to why/how at all and it's completely legitimate by the sites rules and nothing i can do to respond other than post a shitty "HEY **** YOUR REP EXPLAIN YOURSELF" reply or the classic "HAVE SOME DOWNREP BACK HAHA TAKE THAT!

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Asrathiel:

Agree, except for the part where you use 'girly' as an insult :P

[nirvAnA]

yea flamga sorry, i dont mean to single you out like that. just saying maybe with a sig limit the posts wont look so big!

pinder: im just going to let that unecessary jab at me go so the thread doesn't get derailed and so we can continue discussion on the merits/demerits of the system