(TITLE) Unjust Case against Frustration.
Recently some members of the sea community decided to institute a 4 week lock on Frustration. The silent members of the SC2SEA community challenge Eddie to show compassion and leadership by standing by his original decision or revoking the 4 week lock.
At the end of this there is a personal apology from frustration to the community.
Here is the story:
“Frustration was removed from the tournament bracket for typing a lot in the channel chat arbitrarily and without any real just reason. This does not include the fact that the tournament admin should not have removed any player for any reason unless it was cheating or a late –show.”
Purpose of the thread: Frustration’s original 4 week lock should be reduced to 3 weeks.Unfortunately Frustration was banned for 1 week and removed from the Sea Craft Weekly on the 6th of April 2015 due to arbitrarily made decisions. Frustration has already missed a week of the SEA tournament due to a badly made decision by Philosopher.
Eddie made the decision based on a single person’s opinion. Eddie proposed an additional 4 week lock in the OSC Admins chat. It is very important to note at this point that ONLY Nama agreed to the proposition at that moment, its possible peoples view agree or disagree at this time. Based on a singular view, he changed the penalty which should have only been 3 weeks. The purpose of this written blog is to display the bias and unfair judgement which has been proposed by the sea tournament Administrator (Eddie) and remove the proposed 3-8 week tournament lock.
Quotes of discussion:
[6/04/2015 7:51:01 PM] Eddie Edwards: Well he's set the standard now, will have to apply to all.
What is disappointing about this statement, is that there are no clear rules as to the power and administrative control that a SEA tournament admin has. Its very disappointing that Philosopher’s mistake is now setting a ‘precedent’. I believe that the rules should be more clear and concise so that clarity is given to all players in a fair and respectful manner. This is why it is disappointing for Eddie to now instigate this new standard as the ‘typical norm’. My question, is whether Eddie would have said this to Pig, Moonglade or any other well known SEA community player. Very Questionable.
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There is no rule in here that says a admin can or cannot dq you for talking in the chat nor does it say a admin can dq you for anything.
[6/04/2015 7:53:55 PM] Eddie Edwards: That's a bit of a stretch, tournaments going well, $'s increasing, new game coming out. Big plans for future. But yeah trolliing is too much at times, we'll have to crack down a bit on some of it
Eddie mentioned that what Philosopher did was beyond what is reasonable admin rights in a sea craft weekly. You can’t just lock someone for posting semi correct bracket information. This type of trolling is really inappropriate and since this tournament is weekly, you only get one opportunity to play. From my understanding, the sea craft weekly is the premier tournament each week on SEA and the admin should be administrating with a fair and unbiased view.
[6/04/2015 7:58:06 PM] Eddie Edwards: I wouldn’t worry about what others think mate. Just jump on do your thing whenever a tournament comes up.
Eddie increased Frustration’s lock to 8 weeks based on certain comments community members have made in relation to the 4 week lock. Based on these comments, it is very clear that Eddie has chosen to change the punishment based on what others have said. In the point regarding Nama, only a single view changed his opinion when the thread clearly indicates a different view. This is hypocritical and a lack of thought leadership as the Head organiser and supervisor of the SEA region tournaments. Eddie changed his mind within 2 hours of the post. Regardless of what he says justifies this change, he just ‘doubled’ the weekly lock.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie
In light of certain comments in chat and this thread, it would seem
Frustration might not be taking this as seriously as he should be.
Another 4 weeks suspension will be given, where we hope he takes time to reflect further on his actions, and how he might want to act as part of this community. This is not a blind reactionary decision, Frustration and I had been talking before these comments were made, and it seems any advice was disregarded, and genuine sincerity, remorse or restraint hasn't been shown.
I stand by the original 4 weeks given, if Frustration had of followed through on his end, but it does not seem to be the case
Frustration ‘Might’ not be taking this as seriously as he should be. When a punishment is given, it’s very difficult to understand exactly how seriously someone will take it. By this definition, Eddie could effectively be saying:
“You know, I think this Frustration guy really needs to suffer, he should really feel ashamed so I am going to keep increasing his punishment until I feel he has suffered enough.”
“(Eddie) Hey Dude (msgs someone on skype) I think Frustration hasn’t learned his lesson, what do you think? (RandoSkypo) “YEAH LETS INCReASE THE PeNALITY>?”
“(Eddie) Alright we’ll make it 8 weeks”
The fact that Frustration made a new thread should indicate that the lock has had an immediate effect. Some emotions could include: Anger / Sorrow / Disappointment.
Quote:
This is not a blind reactionary decision, Frustration and I had been talking before these comments were made, and it seems any advice was disregarded, and genuine sincerity, remorse or restraint hasn't been shown.
Unfortunately this is where our view points are dramtically incorrect. A blind reactionary decision made within 2 hours of the initial judgement? This seems very reactionary. An arbitrary decision has just been made. This is a punishment, this isn’t a circus. Changing judgement a few hours later shows a real lack of consideration in setting new standards and precedents in the sea community. It is very disappointing to see Eddie is changing judgements based on a reactionary view to comments and posts made in thread be select individuals. This type of behaviour is known as relativism and is blatantly offensive as this is based towards many individuals if he changes his judgement based on those around himself.
If it were a pre-requisite to ‘show remorse’ as per the punishment, then it needs to be made more clearly in the original post. This is a public forum and the nature of Starcraft 2 in the sea region on sc2sea.com forums can be interpreted in many different ways with many types of viewpoints, rivalries and friendships.
Should a punishment even be given in the first place? What is happening to the tournament admins who make unfair and incorrect decisions? What we know is that unjust bias has been showed to Frustration and he is disappointed, a little sad and quite remorseful.
I Frustration first of all apoligise to the community for any offensive comments that have been deemed innopropiate, i have a very colourfull personality and sometimes things can escalate quite quickly. I am quite sad by what has happend in the last 24 hours and hope that people will forgive me, i hope that people will understand that over a 2 hour gap, going from a 4 - 8 week ban in a matter of 2 hours is quite significant. I enjoy friendly rivalries with the sea members of the community, including Fray which im looking forward to our match this week. I want to apoligise to anyone else for any reason about anything because lately i've had alot of stress and i've just finished dealing with it as late, im looking to turn over a new leaf if the community understands i am truely sorry about my actions. I hope this post shows that i have remorse and have been sorry about my actions and hope that forgiveness of the 4 weeks can be given, thankyou.
The silent members of the SC2SEA community challenge Eddie to show compassion and leadership by standing by his original decision or revoking the 4 week lock.
Why are you speaking in third person, then switching to first person again. It's just confusing, and the punishment isn't unjust if you actually look at what you've been doing.
I agree wholeheartedly with frustration, the punishment shouldn't be so arbitrarily decided so he should be banned for a year just like when chobo smurfed.
Also wtf is this post, if you really know that you did the wrong thing, stop complaining so god damn much, it just leads people to think that you don't really care. Just accept your punishment, whatever is deemed appropriate and don't be such a dick in the future.
Nobody challenged me or pressured me into any decision.
You didn't miss the one week ban from SEAcraft, instead you played under someone's account to bypass the admins decision.
Nama isn't the only person involved in the decision making process.
Any disruption or poor behaviour by any player could warrant disqualification. Doesn't matter who they are.
"Eddie mentioned that what Philosopher did was beyond what is reasonable admin rights in a sea craft weekly." - No i didn't. I said i understand why he would have made the decision, and support it. Even if i may not have done the same. It's certainly within reason, as i explained here.
"I wouldn’t worry about what others think mate. Just jump on do your thing whenever a tournament comes up. " - Don't think that relates to what you're trying to say? This was me trying to help you, not to take any bait that may come your way, smarten up, and just play the game.
"Eddie increased Frustration’s lock to 8 weeks based on certain comments community members have made in relation to the 4 week lock." I has happy with the 4 weeks determined by the team, on the condition you showed remorse and acknowledged and apologised for your actions, which given your comments in chat throughout the day (which i wasn't around to see live at the time), after the announcement, and the thread you published indicated otherwise.
I "changed my mind" due to your actions mentioned above, which went against our earlier discussions, and not because certain comments community members have made. I'd expect people to be outraged by what you did.
These quotes are private discussions between you and I Frustration. I'll do you the courtesy of not posting some of your private comments which would have been said in a lot of emotion yesterday, which wouldn't be well received by the community.
And forgiveness must be earned, and takes time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aLtNXZ
Side note for both the author and Eddie, reactionary doesn't mean what you think it means
True, 3am posts
Impulse decision or without careful consideration perhaps better wording
If you're going to appeal a decision, maybe you should write the post yourself Frust. The original punishment was lenient at best, you should count yourself lucky it wasn't more severe.
I dont know who wrote the first part of this. But who ever it was (and I'm guessing frustration at least agrees with it if he is posting it) needs to learn that its not unacceptable for people to change their minds as more information has been given. Eddie increasing the penalty so its longer is a good move after the way frustration was acting after cheating.
EDIT: Should also add that as far as I've heard Frustration was warned in the SEAcraft chat but ignored the warnings so it's not as if wasn't banned out of no where if that's true.
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Previously known as Ali
"can or cannot dq you for talking in the chat nor does it say a admin can dq you for anything."
obligatory THAT'S WHAT AN ADMIN IS.
Also I'll add more.
"(TITLE) Unjust Case against Frustration."
holy **** frustration it even tells you what the ******* title is and you still fucked that bit up, did you even ******* read the thread or you just posted it hoping people would think you've all of a sudden started speaking in third person and can type in proper english.
The fact that he didn't even write this himself is more evidence that he doesn't give a **** about the situation and couldn't care less.
I'll preface with the fact that I wasn't there on monday and I have no idea why you were Dq'd from the tournament. Whilst I don't agree with everything philo does and even if the decision was a shit one, do you really think that smurfing was the correct response to that situation. That's basically as bad as throwing a ******* tantrum.
It wasn't a 2 hour decision made arbitrarily by eddie to go from 4 week to 8, you have been posting bullshit all week in chat about how chase lost to ice, you've acted like a complete child throughout the whole thing.
This whole thread was a complete mess,
1. you didn't even ******* write it
2. all you do is put blame on others and don't take any responsibility
For some reason you(probably ice) have the mentality that everything you guys do is right and everything anyone else does is to circlejerk fray. Like I said, I don't know why you were banned in the first place but ******* smurfing THEN bragging about it is not the ******* right decision and you should take responsibility for that.
Frust + frusts blog author you guys are being silly, just take the suspension on the chin and come back having learned the lesson.
I recall when you first came back to the community after a huge hiatus like a year ago you claimed to have become a better guy, why don't you show it like Eddie said. He is a guy I know personally, one of the most stand up guys with unprecedented integrity I have ever met in person let alone in this community, he only ever wants to help anyone including yourself.
Smarten up, lighten up, be silent and earn some of that trust back naturally over time instead of pointing the finger.
Doing you a favour and closing this one. Stop making threads and fighting this matter, there's no ammo in your weapon and it's hurting you not helping you.
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